Remember back when climate scientists discovered the ozone layer was thinning and the world banded together and worked to repair the damage we’d done?
I’d like to live in that reality again.
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That was a CFC problem. We now have a DJT problem.
Yes but he's a symptom, not the cause. His 2016 victory was not a fluke.
Yeah, i grow up learning about ozone layer hole and acid rain in school, then enter the 21st century and that talk has largely gone. Now i wish the same thing can be done to the climate change, looks like it might lose some steam.
Now we can't even band together against a pandemic disease that is obviously killing people right in front of us (as opposed to the less visible to the average person ozone hole), and we sure as hell won't be able to move against climate change in any uniformed way before its much too late (as we can already see).
It boils down to two main things in that article, possibly one… the Billionaires bought the media knowing full well the power they could wield with it, but more so, dismantling education leads to an easily influenced populace.
The pandemic was a boom for them because it created another “lost generation” and pushed so many educators to hit the breaking point and quit.
The Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves knowing the press is so entwined with the state. The press is supposed to be the check on the state, and somewhere along the line we lost sight of that.
The founding fathers are also rolling in their graves, because women and people of color, hell, even men without property can vote (for now). Quit putting these slave owners on a pedestal.
I'm hardly putting them on a pedestal. They simply got the ball rolling on our iteration of democracy. They had some great ideas, but little foresight or imagination into what their experiment would become. The Constitution could use a full refresh, borrowing what can be salvaged from the old and updated for modern society.
Surprisingly, what we have as a nation (imo some of the best ideas of our original constitution) were inspired by the politics of Indigenous Americans, in large part by the Haudenosaunee Confederacy. But the problem with that adaptation was that colonists adopted ideas in a piecemeal way without paying full respect to the broader meaning of those ideas (also in context to cultural and social norms, etc.). The US Constitution didn't pay much reverence to the collective social responsibility of being good stewards of the environment, and instead focused on the pursuit of individual liberties. This experiment has now, with its initial set of conditions taken with far less context than was needed, has evolved to what it currently is in a fraction of the time that Indigenous Americans had a relatively stable socioeconomic and political existence. We might all benefit from learning more about Indigenous democratic institutions, and I certainly wish I would have been exposed to this history sooner.
My bet is when the equal time law and similar bit the bullet. I think it was Reagan's era but my American history is pretty bad so don't quote me on it.
1952 is the exact date actually.
That's when Rupert Murdoch started in media.
Fuck, he's old.
He is old. Old and evil, ruining multiple countries.
Kamala Harris lost every swing state AND the Senate. We live in the same country we did 4 years ago, we live in the same country that elected Barrack Obama twice.
People are paying 50% more for bread, eggs, and rent, with no relief given, no corporate greed stiffled BEFORE it hit average Americans in the face, and just kept hitting them. The average American doesn't care about economic numbers, they care about whether or not they can pay the rent.
Trump isn't going to make any of this better, he's going to make it ordinates worse. People vote for change, when faced with the inevitability of suffering they'll vote for different, come what may.
We live in the same country we did 4 years ago, we live in the same country that elected Barrack Obama twice.
They elected Obama twice and then stayed home in 2010, ensuring that he would never have the support he needed to pass bills.
Nobody gives a shit about politics. They only care about popularity contests.
I've been watching a lot of old 80s and 90s movies recently, and I noticed something starkly different from most of the movies I've seen coming out in the past decade or so, particularly the glut of superhero movies we had for a while there. With very few exceptions, all the protagonists were anti-establishment.
Star Wars, Ghostbusters, the Mario Movie, the Breakfast Club, the Princess Bride, it goes on and on and on. The heroes were all rebelling against some ignorant authority that either didn't understand the damage it was able to do or didn't care about hurting those who had no power. As a result, when I was coming up my generation felt very much against the established status quo. Even the kid-targeted stuff in the early 90s, it was all gross-out humor and struggling against adult authority in favor of personal autonomy. Nickelodeon takes over your school. As a teenager it was grunge and punk and everything being 'extreme'.
The impression I get from a lot of the late 00s and 2010s fictional media, though, and much of what I've seen in the 20s so far, has been stories that are on-side with some big establishment. Even Peter Parker was turned into a suck-up for some billionaire. There are still instances of anti-authoritarianism, but it doesn't seem to be the prevailing narrative the way it was. Instead it largely seems to be about going along with society and not bucking the system.
Maybe what we need, if we want to change things, is to instill that pushing against the establishment in the next generation again. That 70s and 80s era Muppets vibe. Turtles that live in the sewers because if they lived on the surface, the powers that be wouldn't understand them. Otters living in poverty and being exploited by hoity-toity customers who decide not to pay them for their laundry services on Christmas in the first five minutes of the movie.
Did Chris Pratt Mario get into a chase with Koopa cops while fighting a corrupt authoritarian government? No he did not. He was on the side of a social order that was being disrupted by an evil musician.
Artists need to change the narrative and be intentional about it.
Star Wars, Ghostbusters, the Mario Movie, the Breakfast Club, the Princess Bride, it goes on and on and on. The heroes were all rebelling against some ignorant authority that either didn’t understand the damage it was able to do or didn’t care about hurting those who had no power. As a result, when I was coming up my generation felt very much against the established status quo. Even the kid-targeted stuff in the early 90s, it was all gross-out humor and struggling against adult authority in favor of personal autonomy. Nickelodeon takes over your school. As a teenager it was grunge and punk and everything being ‘extreme’.
And what did Gen X get out of it? To be so forgotten as a generation that everybody else thinks we're Boomers!
Ask anybody who's not a Gen Xer to list out the current generations and they will, without fail, say: "Boomers, Millennials, Zoomers, and whatever Alphas are going to turn into"
And what have we done as a generation to be remembered for? We gave in to nihilism and cynicism and did nothing.
That's not true. The cynicism gave us critical thinking skills to navigate through the bullshit we live with on the internet now. If anything, Millennials and Zoomers are more corporate friendly than ever, consuming whatever the doomscrollers tell them to.
Imagine straddling the Gen X/Millennial line. We doubly don't exist.
What did we get out of it, though? Kind of a lot, actually.
We legalized marijuana in a lot of places, got marriage equality in a lot of places, and did actually push some positive changes in general. How long they'll last? How many survive even now? Eh.. Well, that depends on how well we manage to get out from under the shadow of the boomers and bring our ideals to the next generations.
Well, that depends on how well we manage to get out from under the shadow of the boomers and bring our ideals to the next generations.
It's too late for that. The last meaningful bill that got passed was Obamacare, and even that was watered down and didn't do much to solve the healthcare crisis.
Whatever government benefits we are holding on to will be gutted in the next four years, and American democracy will be dismantled within the next decade.
Welcome to the final goal of late-stage capitalism: anarcho-capitalism. We'll be paying for our fire departments and police protections before you know it.
Get ready for the Tank Girl future of water shortages.
I literally changed my discord profile to a Tank Girl theme hours before Trump was elected when I was still pretty sure it'd be Harris. Yeesh.
I wasn't surprised by this outcome in the least. Nobody with any knowledge of this country's history or regular interaction with much of the trash that inhabits it should have been either. If you're still confused, look at the exit poll breakdowns by demographics.
Our mistake was to think we lived in a better country than we do. Our mistake was to see the joy, the extraordinary balance between idealism and pragmatism, the energy, the generosity, the coalition-building of the Kamala Harris campaign and think that it must triumph over the politics of lies and resentment
Holy fuck the refusal to self-reflect. Was this guy even living in the same reality?