Green - An environmentalist community

The goalpost for individuals is pushed further to make up for what corporations are doing, which is...(reads notes)...nothing.

I gave up both, problem solved lol

How about you redirect this question to the people actually responsible for setting the planet on fire and inevitably turning my children's futures to smoldering ash? I can only just barely afford to eat meat, certainly not every day, and any form of travel is a distant, impossible pipedream.

This is not my fault or responsibility. Life under capitalism hasn't afforded me that luxury. I do not get to make decisions, they are too expensive.

Why are we asking this question, and not asking where all the electrically powered planes and synthetic burgers are?

You don't advance as a civilization by throwing your hands in the air, giving up, and going back to the bad old days. You do it by finding a better way to do what you want to do.

Just make private jets illegal or tax the fk out of each trip

Ban bunker oil. It's used in shipping container boats. It's the most polluting fuel out there.

Haven't eaten meat for over 10 years. Other than having to manage my feelings of superiority nothing much has changed.

Change needs to be a lot more radical than reducing global CO2 by.. maybe 20%?

If we live plant-based we'll need a lot of less land. We'd need some serious land to free up this land for the wild and rebuild eco systems. And it would still not be enough, because the rising heat will just destroy it anyway.

So expensive sequestering technology at source needs to be made mandatory globally and everybody will feel the hit of that. Producing (and sequestering) CO2 will be so expensive that the market will find viable, cheaper alternatives.

man we need to start being a little more creative, and end all this binary thinking about everything.. THIS OR THAT: CHOOSE there has to be some hybrid solution here.. flying meat of some kind, i don't know, i'm not an architect of meat solutions.. but we have to find creative solutions, that ease transitions for economical reasons and shit.. maybe highly mobile buns..

i gave up meat some 15+ years ago. easy peasy.

Fortunately as an individual I don't have to give up either and it's pointless for me as well. As a member of society I will automatically adjust my habits to how we structure society. If society has decided to get rid of cars, then we are free to fly and eat meat while still massively decreasing total greenhouse gases to well below sustainable levels.

For some reason, petroleum industry sponsored "think pieces" like this that proliferate through green communities always structure the problem as an individual one. I wonder why they are always framed that way?

Given I haven't eaten meat in 19 years, how many airmiles does that buy me?

Givung up meat is 100 times easier.

Every market sells rice, beans, and veggies. But I'm still looking for that trans oceanic passenger ferry.

Definitely meat - I’ve been vegetarian for a very long time and vegan since COVID, and no plans of stopping anytime soon! Flying is a bit more difficult, but I work from home and when my work requires me to travel, I’m lucky that I have the ability to take a train, so I do that. I do like traveling occasionally, and for some of the places I want to go, I can’t realistically avoid flying.

If anyone here is interested in giving up or reducing meat intake but needs a little advice or extra support to get started, please let me know. I’m happy to share any knowledge and tips I can!

Meat for sure. Giving up flying means giving up seeing my family. Probably one of the last things I would sacrifice, personally.

I haven't had a reason to fly since 2004, and I last ate meat 3 hours ago. I think my answer is obvious.

Meat. I live on the other side of the country from my family, and the only way I can have enough time to visit them is by some form of high speed transit. Since there’s no high speed train in the US, I’m stuck flying.

Flying. I already hate it because of sensory issues and the general stress it causes me, helping the environment is a bonus. Sadly i live in the US, so i need to take flights to get anywhere vaguely far away, even within my own damned country.

Of course if we are talking the environment then the only things that can be done to have any actual impact will reduce the profits of corporations and as such will not happen.

Definitely meat. I'm omnivorous now, but have been vegan for years and vegetarian years before that. Its actually ideal if you can afford it/ find the right dumpsters.

I have not found an efficient and fast way to travel across the ocean as i am not an experienced large vessel sailor and/or do not have access to a deep ocean worthy vessel.

Flying, I haven't been on a plane in 25 years, and I have no plans to ever get on one again. But I love a good steak.

Since I fly only like once every 20 years, I say neither.

If forced to choose, I'd give up flying. As I'm scared of it anyway, that makes the most sense. :)

That said, I think that if we all just did less of those things, it would be good too. Take more vacations near home. Eat meat only a few times a week. That sort of thing.

If I got 3x the vacation time from work to let me travel by oceanliner or airship I’d happily stop flying — but that would never happen. So instead we just have to use discretion for both. Eat more mushrooms & beans; take trips closer to home by rail. And yes once in a while enjoy a nice steak or take a trip overseas. Moderation is key.

I'd do both and gladly. I've already reduced both significantly below average.

Been vegan for 3 years now. I lost my superpowers once when a restaurant gave me cheese when I asked for none. I wasn't going to waste food.

Flying sucks ass. So, I'll give up both?

I gave up flying a while ago, so I guess I’ll keep that up.

Is it even possible to give up flying?

Flying. I don’t like that shit anyway.

i’ve been trying to have less meals with meat. we had delicious butternut squash curry that was flavorful and filling over rice, and i was super proud of it.

then my husband made chicken to put in all the leftovers… 🤦🏻‍♀️

can’t people just fly less private jets please?

If Taylor Swift stops flying how many of us does it count for?

Could I give up meat for year if I plan on going on vacation that year and eat meat on non travel years?