this post was submitted on 12 Feb 2025
134 points (100.0% liked)

Politics

10256 readers
23 users here now

In-depth political discussion from around the world; if it's a political happening, you can post it here.


Guidelines for submissions:

These guidelines will be enforced on a know-it-when-I-see-it basis.


Subcommunities on Beehaw:


This community's icon was made by Aaron Schneider, under the CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license.

founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS
top 43 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 85 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They could start with Trump and Musk.

[–] baggins 10 points 1 week ago

Too late, the bastards have already bred.

[–] ImWaitingForRetcons@lemm.ee 63 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ah, the White Nationalism to Eugenics to Nazism pipeline is alive and well, it seems.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 24 points 1 week ago

Less of a pipeline and more of... a fetid pool of shit

[–] Powderhorn 54 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

We're going straight to eugenics in under a month? Jesus fuck.

ETA: Also, you chucklefucks, I already got fixed years ago because of the horrific state of affairs in the world. I find it morally reprehensible to bring children into this world given what we know about climate change alone. Political shifts are just icing.

[–] Spitzspot@lemmings.world 44 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Abstract - The first negative eugenic measure passed by the Hitler regime in July 1933 was the forced sterilization law, which primarily targeted neuropsychiatric patients with "feeble mindedness,” schizophrenia, and epilepsy. Also included were Huntington’s chorea, bipolar disorder, and alcoholism, along with other congenital defects." - https://academic.oup.com/book/40410/chapter-abstract/347295636

[–] Chuymatt 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I know of no one who has Huntingtons who want to have kids…

[–] araneae 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You don't get to make that choice.

[–] Chuymatt 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Didn’t say that I did. But most folks with it know how awful and don’t wish it on their children. Tell me, how many folks have you worked with who have/had HD?

I’m not speaking out my arse here.

Let me be clear, I think that the including of HD in this list is to muddy the waters. This is not a genuine concern.

This is about control and eugenics.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 2 points 6 days ago

Yeah, I paused on that one. It shouldn't be forced, but it should be encouraged. No loving parent would want to give that to a child and the odds are just so high.

[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They’re just so eager to pull their masks off, like. Like, there is only so much algorithm manipulation can do to obscure observable reality from their audience.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They tried to rig the game but you can't fake influence

[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Or fake social security checks going through when some idiot breaks the COBOL code that runs federal payments system.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But then who’ll vote them back in based on vague promises to fix the price of eggs and absolutely no track record of helping ordinary people?

Unless…

[–] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 5 points 1 week ago

Unless

Exactly.

[–] Australis13@fedia.io 28 points 1 week ago
[–] match@pawb.social 26 points 1 week ago

they're really just spitballing genocide huh

[–] FoxyFerengi@lemm.ee 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wonder how far they would walk that comment back when they learn how common high intelligence is among people who are neurodivergent.

The real reason they said high IQ probably lies in the fact that it's an incredibly biased test, with Black and Hispanic students performing worse compared to White and Asian students

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

And technically having an IQ that's 2 or more standard deviations outside the norm makes you neurodivergent, by some definitions of the word. That means everyone who can get into Mensa can be considered neurodivergent by definition.

[–] jarfil 6 points 1 week ago

Heh, that's a good take on Mensa. IQ tests at the higher difficulty questions, add some aspect of "lateral thinking" to spot a pattern, which is another way of saying "thinking out of the box", or a type of neurodivergence.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

How long until the return of phrenology?

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

At this rate?

Probably next Tuesday.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not the type of speed run I was hoping for :-/

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 week ago

Destroy the USA any% run

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

First you need the baseball bat phase ... where they beat each other over the head to produce enough bumps so that the phrenologists can analyze them.

[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 7 points 1 week ago

No, altering the personality by adding bumps is retrophrenology.

[–] ShadowRam@fedia.io 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

“Pay smart people to have more kids, disincentivize stupid people from having kids."

Why?

Dingledorf assumes smart people breed smart kids and stupid people breed stupid kids?

Title of article should be "Stupid Person makes Stupid Assumptions"

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 1 week ago

More like "known nazi repeats ancient nazi talking points about eugenics"

[–] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 11 points 1 week ago

"Low IQ Person Requests Sterilisation"

[–] jarfil 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

assumes smart people breed smart kids and stupid people breed stupid kids

From a "nature + nurture" point of view in a primitive world, it can be argued that people who strike the combo, are "more likely" to both pass on their own genetic predisposition, and be "more prepared" to raise their kids up to a similar standard.

In a modern world though, I'd still rather have professional teachers take care of the nurture part, and shut up about nature at least until someone can unequivocally point to the "smartness genes"... at which point I'd ask for a GMO cat with a 200 IQ, yay!

[–] within_epsilon 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Further, assuming intelligence is measurable by an IQ test.

[–] jarfil 3 points 1 week ago

Arguably... kind of, but never with a single number.

From a multidimensional intersectional hypothesis of intelligence point of view, the "IQ" should be a series of several hundred measurements; a single number is meaningless. Even then, we still lack a bottom-up theory of intelligence, so all tests are just sociological comparisons as related to a population at a given moment in time.

There are indications that some "basic capability for developing problem solving skills" may exist, but we're nowhere close to even defining it, much less measuring it.

Somewhat ironically, as we've developed AI systems... the only way to train them, has been to use neural networks and a "spray and pray" approach with extra steps, making them into 99% black boxes... so now we can "reproduce some behaviors associated with intelligence", without being that much closer to understanding it 😆

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 week ago

We'll start with whoever's behind the resolute desk

[–] baggins 9 points 1 week ago

I take it he's at the front of the queue.

[–] jared@mander.xyz 7 points 1 week ago
[–] melp 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's time for me* to get my home a 12 gauge

Here's the "useless eaters" phase!

[–] baggins 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Look at the article, scroll down about half way and look at Carlson's face (I know that's a painful thought but just humour me) then tell me you didn't burst out laughing.

[–] forrgott@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

Nah, Fucker Carlson just makes me gag. So, I didn't burst out laughing ..

[–] Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 week ago

Isnt that his neutral facial expression?

[–] petrescatraian@libranet.de 3 points 1 week ago

How do they have the courage to say this? Them and their biggest supporters will be the first on the list