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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

See? This. This is why I don't trust my safety to electronic systems. The fancy computer controlled locks and latches are great when they work. When they don't, shit like this happens.

At least most cars still have a physical connection between the door handle and the locking mechanism. Not Tesla, for no good goddamned reason.

[–] GarlicToast@programming.dev 42 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Killed by the department of efficiency

[–] CPMSP@midwest.social 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's an apt analogue for what we should all expect from the DOGE; burning to death while everyone watches in terror.

[–] Manalith@midwest.social 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Holy fuck, I never registered that that was the acronym for it.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 6 points 3 days ago

We live in hell

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

In the US there are nine investigations involving the Tesla Model Y, ranging from “unexpected brake activation” to “sudden unintended acceleration,” according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

Nice

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 16 hours ago

Those investigations will all end with "nothing to see here" in about 3 months from now.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 16 hours ago

Those investigations will all end with "nothing to see here" in about 3 months from now

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 81 points 3 days ago (4 children)

There is a manual override in Tesla cars but the feature is not widely publicized, experts say.

Tesla isn't the only culprit here. Any manufacturer that makes cars with electric doors should be required to also have a prominent and easily reachable manual override, instead of hiding a tiny lever underneath the armrest or on the floor, or behind the person's seat on the pillar somewhere, or any fucking place that isn't where you would expect a door handle to be.

[–] warm@kbin.earth 74 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Should just be a law to have a regular fucking door handle, we don't need fancy/electric doors. Telsa's should all be taken off the road with their shitty track record.

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 3 days ago (2 children)

What? Regulating Elon's enterpreneuments? In this fine coming year of Trump 2025?

[–] warm@kbin.earth 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Considering he will be leading a government department he just called "DOGE", along with the rest of Trump, I'd say the USA is royally fucked, Tesla will be the least of their troubles.

You reap what you sow.

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[–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is morbid but one of my favorite “butterfly” effect news stories in the last year was around the death of Angela Chao after she backed her car into a pond while intoxicated.

Okay, so - here’s the setup:
The Chao family is a very wealthy family. In the 1960’s the family patriarch got into the shipping business and has done very well, garnering money and power. Wealth and power beget wealth and power. Mitch McConnell is even married to one of the daughters - Elaine Chao.
Well, Bush appointed E. Chao to Labor Secretary during his presidency. Mind you, she’s not just Mitch’s wife - she has been in government since the late 80’s. One of the talking points in republican circles during the Bush years was that there was a massive decrease in worker safety complaints. They attributed this to businesses behaving themselves and say that this is evidence that self-regulation can work. What was learned later is that OSHA simply didn’t enforce many regulations or follow up on many complaints, instead choosing to focus on trying to find fraud within unions.
Cut to Trump. He appoints Elaine - still Mitch McConnell’s wife, and daughter of a transportation magnate - to be the Department of Transportation’s Secretary. The ethics concerns notwithstanding, the department hand waved many things through, such as the tesla doors mentioned in the article above, as well as the Tesla Model X’s confusing forward/reverse system, which is cited as being a reason for the death of Angela Chao, her sister.

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 days ago

Man, this will be fun to quote at work parties!

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[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 30 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Or, you could just have the door handle be the manual override.

It is a laughably easy thing to have the release for the door from the inside be the same kind of mechanical door release we've always done, for obvious safety reasons, and then have a little solenoid which can also trigger the release of the mechanical door release if the computer wants it to open.

The only reason to do it otherwise, and then need a separate manual release handle, is if you are okay with people dying in exactly this fashion so that you can make your shiny thing in the exact shiny way you want to make it.

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 days ago

It is so intuitive, just disassemble the door when the car is on fire.

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

On at least the model 3 and Y it's fairly intuitive for the front seats. For the rear? Not so much.

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-AAD769C7-88A3-4695-987E-0E00025F64E0.html

Note Not all Model Y vehicles are equipped with a manual release for the rear doors.

:/

[–] warm@kbin.earth 14 points 3 days ago

It should be as intuitive as getting out of any car, a regular handle.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 30 points 3 days ago (3 children)

This is what it says on their website. Hope you've got the link handy if you're in a crash, and also that you're not in one that doesn't have this...

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 33 points 3 days ago

Look it's very simple if you get in a crash and are on fire.

Stop. Drop. Roll. Remove the mat from the bottom of the rear door pocket. Press the red tab to remove the access door. Pull the mechanical release cable forward. Remember that not all Model Y vehicles are equipped with a manual release for the rear doors. Die.

Rolls right off the tongue. If you're still in trouble call 0118 999 88199 9119 725 3.

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Door handles are ugly though.

Worth a few lives to get them out of the way.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 3 days ago

And don't you know how many cents a door handle costs? Christ, we're not made of money.

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[–] aeharding@vger.social 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

In my neck of the woods a couple weeks ago five people burned to death in a Tesla. Apparently called 911 from inside the car too. No national news on this either.

https://www.veronapress.com/townnews/highway/update-on-nov-1-town-of-verona-crash-that-killed-five-people/article_39070b78-9ad8-11ef-8de9-a7707b602caa.html

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 3 days ago (2 children)

What fucking idiot builds fail-deadly electric door controls into a very flammable car

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 10 points 3 days ago

Anything owned by Muskrat

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[–] Doom@ttrpg.network 20 points 2 days ago

what a metaphor for America

[–] beefbot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That one’s a deal breaker. Never getting in an Tesla again. And yes, that means a lot of taxi cabs 🤷‍♂️🙄

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 13 hours ago

Not any other vehicle...

[–] USSMojave@startrek.website 32 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Friendly reminder that everyone should have one of these seatbelt-cutter-window-hammer things in their glovebox

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Other nice options as stocking stuffers can be spread around the car, like in each door, glovebox, keychain. The hammer type you linked is easier to hold, but you may not be able to reach the glovebox.

I have broken windows with all three of these exact products during regular extrication training as a firefighter.

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[–] GammaGames 29 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Hell yeah let’s put this guy in charge of something

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Always have an emergency tool in your car to break your windows in case this shit happens to you. Even if you're in a car not designed by a god damn moron.

[–] Vathsade@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Didn't these used to be part of the seat belt? Has that standard changed?

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[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 11 points 3 days ago

So happy my car is not a tesla.

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 days ago

Ah when you try to reinvent the the wheel, fail, and then kill people with it

"Fuck elon musk"

Car: "Error: Electronic Lock Malfunction. Please say 'I love Elon Musk' to begin troubleshooting."

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Any car without manual door locks and handles is a death trap. They should be required by law.

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[–] oleorun@real.lemmy.fan 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

This isn’t a Tesla or EV problem though. How many back doors have child safety locks?

[–] varyingExpertise@feddit.org 5 points 3 days ago

In my Audis at least, the child safety is disabled together with the locks opening within a few milliseconds of the airbag control unit sending a crash signal across the CAN. That message is sent immediately when the decision to open at least one airbag has been made and therefore will reach all components while the crash hasn't even had time to finish, so all wires and stuff is most likely still in place

Apart from that, the doors have an emergency mechanical release that is "just pull a bit harder and further on the handle". Which is what you'd do anyway.

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