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[–] daveyeah 108 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Mmmm, gotta love that enshittification strategy every big tech company is working on right now.

[–] BobKerman3999@feddit.it 53 points 2 years ago

Free money ended, they are trying to squeeze

[–] liminis 86 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Another executive-driven decision by people who clearly don't use their own product (kinda impressive really when it's YT).

I can't help wonder if they saw an uptick in adblocking as a result of their absurd increases in ad-time recently and somehow thought this was a reasonable solution.

[–] CheshireSnake@iusearchlinux.fyi 53 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

8-10 unskippable ads before a video? Holy shit. That's ludicrous.

[–] liminis 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It really is hard to fathom how that got through any internal discussion.

[–] StewieTheThird 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Its not that hard to fathom when you have worked with these types of people.

All it was was a numbers meeting, no User Experience folks in the room. They said how much revenue they would increase quarter over quarter, and how much engagement it would drive. Everyone claps, the meeting ends they move forward with the next terrible design decision. Companies no longer take focus group testing seriously for anything.

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[–] LemmyAtem 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I rarely use YouTube, but my nephew (he's two) was over the other day and we put on some cartoons for him that were in YouTube since my wife and I don't have Disney plus. I couldn't BELIEVE how many ads it showed. One five-minute merry melodies cartoon had FOUR SEPARATE ad breaks, the third and fourth of which were both 3+ minutes long if you weren't paying attention to skip.

Wtf?! Not even shit ass normal broadcast television has that many commercials.

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[–] themizarkshow@lemm.ee 83 points 2 years ago (3 children)

What's with every big tech company trying to destroy their userbase this year?

[–] stallmer@lemmy.one 65 points 2 years ago

Interest rates hikes stopped the free money, so companies need profit.

I’d argue they don’t need $500 million when they already make $400 million, but I’m just a lowly peasant.

tl;dr: capitalism

[–] bren42069@iusearchlinux.fyi 34 points 2 years ago (3 children)

they think they have us sufficiently cornered on centralized sites, they may be right.

[–] JCPhoenix 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Especially with video. Reddit was easy-ish to leave -- I haven't left entirely -- since it's just a link aggregator and glorified forums. That's nothing new to the Internet. And Twitter was easy to replace with Mastodon.

But hosting video? That's a tough one to replicate. I know there are some other platforms out there, but I can't imagine any could really take on YouTube, due to space and bandwidth considerations.

So yeah, I think YouTube has us all by the balls. And they know it.

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[–] Buttons@programming.dev 79 points 2 years ago (9 children)

And what are the consequences of "strikes"? Will you delete my Google account, including my email, and also screw up my Android phone and my kids Chromebook?

It's scary to realize that Google has me by the balls here. They can screw me in so many ways, and screw my family members as well. I'd rather have my bank credentials stolen than my email credentials, at least I can get real customer service from the bank, I can even go to a physical location and speak face-to-face with someone who can help me. Google wont give me customer support, and my email account is the closest thing to an identity I have for most businesses I interact with.

It takes a lot of work to avoid Google. Yes, there are alternatives, but in D&D terms, avoiding Google is like a -2 to all stats for your entire life, and not something we can expect the general population to do.

All this shows the need for anti-trust enforcement. The same company is controlling too much. Bust 'em up!

[–] wim@lemmy.sdf.org 30 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Moral of the story: create separate account for YouTube that has no high value services or data on it.

[–] chahk 18 points 2 years ago

I've seen enough horror stories to know that's not going to help. They can, and do, associate multiple accounts to same users. Be it by cookies, IP addresses, or dark magic, the end result is the same - they can upend your entire digital life if they want to. r/degoogle better hurry up and migrate to Lemmy.

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[–] ConsciousCode 75 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Recently found this gem: https://adnauseam.io/

It's an ad blocker that only hides ads and clicks them for you in the background, which means you waste advertiser's money, support creators, can't get flagged for ad blocking as easily, and they can't build a proper profile against your ad activity since it's all noise. Haven't installed it yet, but this might be the push I needed.

[–] Contend6248@feddit.de 17 points 2 years ago (4 children)

This might be an acceptable sollution, but what happens on the other side of the ad? If something maliciously is being spreaded, the click might have to happen in an isolated form from the rest of the system or the browser.

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[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 68 points 2 years ago

Ad blocker detection is not new, and other publishers regularly ask viewers to disable ad blockers

"everyone else is treating their customers like garbage, so they don'y hold it against us".

Yes, we can.

I didn't block when you had 5 second ads. I didn't block when you had 15 second ads. I started blocking when you'd play 2+ unskippable 15 second ads back-to-back. I didn't mind sitting through an ad when I appreciate the service you offered. Now, you're just being greedy, and I will go to great lengths to damage your bottom line as notably as I can.

[–] that_one_guy 67 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Did all these tech companies just get together and decide to fuck us over around the same time? Seriously, what is going on with all these companies rolling out hugely unpopular new rules/changes all on one another's heels?

[–] Mars 53 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

The end of 0% interest means “business” no longer have access to free money. So now they want benefits, and growth but without the spending.

Also we skipped a tech bubble crash around 2008, so these corpos deaths are more than overdue.

The cicle as Doctorow says in his enshification tesis is:

1.- be good to your users, spending tons of that VC and 0% interest loan free money.

2.- be shit to your users, be good to your clients (add buyers, business that use your platform to do business)

3.- be shit to everyone. Squeeze the platform and get every last dime of value as profit.

Once you are in 3 there is no coming back. But these corporations have pulling the ladder behind them using an extra decade of dominant position to try to stop the cicle.

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[–] nicerdicer@feddit.de 57 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Someone in the Fediverse (I don't know where and who) posted that you have to add the following filters into U-Block Origin. When done you shouldn't see any anti-adblock-warnings :

youtube.com##+js(set,yt.config_.openPopupConfig.supportedPopups.adBlockMessageViewModel,false)

youtube.com##+js(set,Object.prototype.adBlocksFound,O)

youtube.com##+js(set,ytplayer.config.aras.raw_player_response.adPlacements,[])

youtube.com##+js(set,Object.prototype.hasAllowedlnstreamAd,true)

I might add that I haven't experienced any anti-adblock-warnings yet, but I added these filters in advance. I might be worth a shot!

[–] TooLikeTheNope 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Also or just use a front-end like as Piped (https://github.com/TeamPiped/Piped) or Invidious (https://github.com/iv-org/invidious)

A handy externsion of FIrefox wil automatically redirects you, see https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/libredirect/

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[–] themisir 56 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Time to use an adblock blocker blocker extension.

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[–] TrainsAreCool@lemmy.one 52 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Personally, I'd rather pay for Nebula than YouTube premium. Most of the creators I actively follow are on there anyways, and the few that aren't (usually the ones with very long videos) I should probably just watch with ads anyways to support them.

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[–] agitatedpotato 48 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Twitch couldn't beat my adblocking, it just taught me how to find and use custom scripts. Shoot your shot YT, I haven't installed a script for your website yet but now Im gonna have too. Congrats the number of ads im gonna see from you is about to go down.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 20 points 2 years ago

Cat and mouse game. May get me to watch a couple, but I'll someone will have a way around it within a week.

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[–] Scary_le_Poo 45 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

So if you are on android: https://apt.izzysoft.de/fdroid/index/apk/org.polymorphicshade.newpipe (Newpipe with sponsorblock baked in)

If you are on PC: https://freetubeapp.io/ (Piped with sponsorblock baked in)

You're welcome.

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[–] worfamerryman 44 points 2 years ago (6 children)

If they want me to stop blocking ads, they will need to get rid of ads like this. I get ads like this all the time and it’s completely inappropriate.

IMG-7171.png

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[–] sexy_peach@feddit.de 38 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Big web corps are a wild ride lately

[–] Paradox@lemdro.id 21 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Enshitification is in full force

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[–] DEXSIC 31 points 2 years ago (5 children)

YouTube without an adblocker is such a mess. I wish alternatives like https://odysee.com had more of the content I watch and less Nazi bullshit though. YouTube really needs some strong competition since they have an effective monopoly on long-form videos on the internet. :(

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[–] Ugetsu@feddit.de 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I´m sure the will be no false strikes at all. And even if, I´m sure they have a quick and easy appeal process in place, just like they have with copyright.

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[–] JillyB 29 points 2 years ago (18 children)

Hot take: this sucks, but YouTube premium is legit. I wish more platforms offered a paid, ad-free way to interact. I don't feel like figuring out a way around ads but I'm not about to start watching them. So I pay a few bucks a month.

[–] popshabang 19 points 2 years ago

I don't mind paying for services I use to avoid my data being the payment (like Kagi or Protonmail).

But I don't like the idea of paying Google AND having my data farmed.

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[–] ram@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 years ago

I'll stop blocked ads when I stop using their service. Not a minute sooner.

[–] Cal 26 points 2 years ago

Copy this into uBlock Origin. Tells youtube ads are allowed and have been displayed, but no ads will show. Removes all references to shorts. Resizes video thumbnails so there's 6 wide.

`youtube.com##+js(set,yt.config_.openPopupConfig.supportedPopups.adBlockMessageViewModel,false) youtube.com##+js(set,Object.prototype.adBlocksFound,O) youtube.com##+js(set,ytplayer.config.aras.raw_player_response.adPlacements,[]) youtube.com##+js(set,Object.prototype.hasAllowedlnstreamAd,true)

! YT Homepage - Hide the Shorts section youtube.com##[is-shorts] ! YT Menu - Hide the Shorts button www.youtube.com###guide [title="Shorts"], .ytd-mini-guide-entry-renderer[title="Shorts"] ! YT Search - Hide Shorts www.youtube.com##ytd-search ytd-video-renderer [overlay-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytd-video-renderer) ! YT Search and Channels - Hide the Shorts sections www.youtube.com##ytd-reel-shelf-renderer ! YT Channels - Hide the Shorts tab www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="channels"] [role="tab"]:nth-of-type(3):has-text(Shorts) ! YT Subscriptions - Hide Shorts - Grid View www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="subscriptions"] ytd-grid-video-renderer [overlay-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytd-grid-video-renderer) ! YT Subscriptions - Hide Shorts - List View www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="subscriptions"] ytd-video-renderer [overlay-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytd-item-section-renderer) ! YT Subscriptions - New Layout - Hide Shorts www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="subscriptions"] ytd-rich-item-renderer [overlay-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytd-rich-item-renderer) ! YT Sidebar - Hide Shorts www.youtube.com###related ytd-compact-video-renderer [overlay-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytd-compact-video-renderer)

! YT Mobile - Hide the Shorts Menu button m.youtube.com##.pivot-shorts:upward(ytm-pivot-bar-item-renderer) ! YT Mobile - Hide Shorts sections m.youtube.com##ytm-reel-shelf-renderer ! YT Mobile - Hide Shorts in search results m.youtube.com##ytm-search ytm-video-with-context-renderer [data-style="SHORTS"]

!(Font Size fix) youtube.com###video-title.ytd-rich-grid-media, #video-title.ytd-rich-grid-slim-media:style(font-size: 1.4rem !important; line-height: 2rem !important;) youtube.com###metadata-line.ytd-video-meta-block:style(font-size: 0.9rem !important; line-height: 1.8rem !important;)

! YouTube Fix & Customization v1.7! (1-2/12) YouTube 4 Videos Per Row Fix (Home and Channel Pages) youtube.com##ytd-rich-grid-renderer:style(width: 80% !important; padding-left: 50px !important; padding-right: 1px !important;) youtube.com##ytd-rich-grid-row, #contents.ytd-rich-grid-row:style(display:contents !important;) youtube.com##ytd-rich-grid-renderer:style(--ytd-rich-grid-items-per-row: 6 !important;)`

[–] Tristar500@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don’t want all the other crap that YT is offering with premium. $12/month is too much.

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[–] NaoPb 21 points 2 years ago

They will never win. They will only lose.

[–] jecxjo@midwest.social 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Honestly if I got ads for things that are actually relevant I'd have less of an issue. Right now 7 out of 10 ads are for a local event where Christians come to grift other Christians. Wtf am I getting that ad constantly?

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[–] azenyr@lemmy.pt 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Hobbist devs will just find a way to make an extension or script that blocks their "ad block detection" scripts anyway. Adblocks are like pirate websites. You kill one, two appear in its place. Youtube is unusable without adblocking, and so is 99% of the internet. They abuse their power until users block them, now they cry that they are blocked lol, cute

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I look forward to the Revanced patch then.

This pretty much guarantees Chrome will push out Manifest v3 and kill ad-blocking in Chrome, though.

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[–] zenci 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I was subscribed to Youtube Premium for a good while (1-2 years), and I actually liked it for the money I paid. It was/is actually a good deal.

However, the amount of cases where creators were getting wrongly copyright striked and could do nothing against it were getting to high. The creators were often against a faceless corporate system.

I don't expect to view something on Youtube for free, however, I don't want to support a company that is as faceless as them. They need to be more accommodating, open, communicate more.

In the end I had to cancel my subscription as I could not continue supporting those practices.

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[–] Gwent 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I get that video hosting is expensive, but I’m not sitting through the number of ads that YT wants me to.

There will be other workarounds. If those fail, then I’ll just stop watching. The platform has gotten worse over the years anyway.

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[–] ErgodicTangle@feddit.de 17 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Damn, what am I going to do with my life when I stop wasting time on youtube?

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[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 17 points 2 years ago

Nah, youtube content (for most part) is not worth the money or watching the ads for me.

[–] NightOwl@lemmy.one 16 points 2 years ago (6 children)

So there are YouTube front ends for browser experience, but has anyone tried freetube from this guide?

https://www.privacyguides.org/en/frontends/

I've really liked the newpipe x Sponsorblock experience on my Android phone with having a subscription list, saves, playlists all locally with no YouTube account and ability to export and import the data of Playlists etc.

Freetube sounds like newpipe for desktop and has sponsorblock as an option too. Anyone use it or used it and have an thoughts on it?

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[–] vertelleus 16 points 2 years ago (12 children)

Anyone hoping there will be a mass exodus from YouTube to other--maybe fediverse YouTube alternatives, reminiscent of the Reddit exodus?

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Video hosting is way too expensive and complex to be decentralised.

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[–] fidodo 15 points 2 years ago

Greedy fuckers. They're not making enough money already? And when you pay them you get shit service anyways.

[–] Gsus4@lemmy.one 15 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Welp, I guess I only have 3 videos left on youtube then, it was a good run. Then it's off to invidious and when that goes, probably peertube will have enough content :)

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