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No idea - but I actually think the Fediverse concept maps to Reddit way better than it has other social networks so I could see some iteration of this really catching on over time.
For something like Twitter, the whole value proposition is "one big universal conversation" and the federated stuff gets in the way of that a little bit, but Reddit has always been a federation of communities (who occasionally fight, join together, cross post, etc) - that maps really well to this stuff.
I have no intention of installing the official Reddit app. I’ve used Apollo for years and I’ll leave once it’s no longer an option. The way Reddit treated the Apollo developer is inexcusable.
I managed to quit Twitter, I’m certain I can quit Reddit too.
Impossible to say now, but definitely quite a lot of them are not going to be regular users. I still hope/believe the majority will stay though.
Agreed. Reddit was the only social platform I've used since a long time, but I do not intend to go back. It feels weird.
The community here is much better IMHO
Much less toxic ~~(I'm not talking about lemmygrad)~~
At the very least the exposure will put Lemmy on the map
I can guarantee I won't be going back to reddit on mobile if they go ahead with the API changes. I may occasionally use reddit on desktop but 99% of my reddit usage was on mobile via Sync.
Once they get rid of old.reddit (which they inevitably will) that will force my hand and I'll have to fully move to Lemmy. As luck would have it, the developer of Sync is considering re-purposing it to run on Lemmy which would be perfect for me.
I’m hoping Apollo does the same.
I'm a Reddit mod and Sync is one of my favorite apps, so that's exciting news! The ONLY reason I have the official Reddit app on my phone is to stay up to date on my chats when they come in.
I will likely go where Reddit Sync goes. I don't really mind if the content here isn't as vast as on Reddit, if I have Sync I have all that I need
Same. It would be great if the Sync dev goes through with switching to Lemmy. That would be perfect for me.
Probably a good chunk, I don't mean to be pessimistic either but that's how it usually works on "big" movements.
Some people follow the flow because they're caught into the enthusiasm of the moment while not being actually convinced about what they're doing, those people are highly likely to go back when things are back to normal (tho in my opinion reddit will never be "normal" again).
How many they are is impossible to tell.
The blackout is only the first wave, there will be another one IMO when 3rd party apps actually shutdown (June 30th), after that, things will settle and population on lemmy will lower, that's not a bad thing IMO, it doesn't do any good to have people here that don't actually want to be here.
As for me, since I joined I'm doing my best to be involved in lemmy communities with the specific purpose of not missing reddit anymore and not care anymore when they'll break old.reddit (they will like their doing with the API).
I already feel at home here, I'm not going drastic as to nuke my reddit account or anything, tho I'll most probably make a GDPR request and leave for good.
I'm probably going to start using Reddit again when the blackout ends and keep using it until the end of the month, but once RIF stops working I don't see myself going back. The way I see it, the last couple of days have been a nice stress-test period for Lemmy, but the real exodus will start in July.
If there's one demographic of users likely to stick with the fediverse it's going to be redditors.
Whatever happens, once RIF is offline I won't have the muscle memory and habit of opening it. And RIF was the only way I access Reddit, it's a pain in the ass using Reddit on a mobile browser and their app sucks. So I'm just gonna stop using Reddit daily. I'll still wander in from Google when looking stuff up, but I won't be on it daily anymore.
Unfortunately with the enshittification of almost the entire internet due to a few monoliths controlling almost all traffic and the concept of the hedonic treadmill, the new shitty normal will become acceptable to most people who are not really thinking about it. Not much anyone can do about that.
In my case and for many others, there's a breaking point. It's further along than we probably would like to think it is, but for me it's being jerked over to an inferior, broken, and cluttered interface designed to maximize the amount of paid BS that I have to see while still having to tolerate the consequences of the centrist "all bigots we can sell to are welcome" mentality of Reddit ownership. It's become too much for me to want to continue to participate regularly while alternatives like this exist which haven't yet been ruined yet.
This is exactly it for me. I have been wanting to leave Reddit for years, but there has never been a solid alternative. It remains to be seen if content will propagate enough on Lemmy but this recent nonsense from Reddit is driving everyone to find alternatives and may be enough to get the ball rolling.
Personally, I like it here and will probably stick around. I hope the servers can scale, and that new communities grow.
I'll still wind up looking at Reddit for meme content until it turns up here. There's a lack of goofy pointless shit here currently.
As much as I want fediverse to become the norm, the thing is that it doesn't really matter if users switch over - content creators have to switch over. It's the same reason why Mastodon isn't very relevant, very few large names actually moved from Twitter.
I'd think, there is a slight difference of content creators in reddit, vs twitter. In twitter we tend to follow people and the more famous or important they are, the more followers they have. Reddit or Lemmy is focused on linking, noone is necessarily creating content here, but linking to outside sources. In beginning of reddit, I remember most of posts were links, and later on self posts became a thing. Still lots of the posts are pointed to somewhere outside. (hence actually reddit being greedy, to claim they own the content they have in their website, they don't)
Anyway, my bottom line, so a person that is making the content, doesn't need to be here to be seen. Anyone posting a link and any community gathering enough subscribers to start a discussion over a topic is going to be enough to keep us going.
Now some good thing for us here is, even a small community with 5 people talking over a topic, but all of them participating, is enough to keep a community going. I'd say, it is even better than a multi million people community, that our posts/comments, most likely goes unseen.
The only downside is some communities, we need a big presence to have a discussion, and those will be the most difficult to migirate. For example a gaming or tech or a news community of 10 people will still discuss (mostly) the same thing a community of 1000s people would discuss. And the help they provide might be the same. (like how can I beat this game that we all have played)
The problem would be ask advice, or a local community of a city or a country of 10 people will be much limited in topics or the help they can provide, than one of 1000s or more. Hence those might stay in reddit. like AskDoctors, RelationshipAdvice, AskMen, ...
For me also hobby communities, here would be better, since it will make it easier to be seen/ discuss a topic than a larger community of reddit. On the other hand if mods of those hobby communities of reddit decide to migirate here, would cause all their members to move as well. (hobbies like simracing, VR gaming, 3d printing, ....). For these also discord is not a bad place. For example in a discord server of a 3d printing youtube channel, I get much better interaction and help, than the reddit r/3dprinting.
To be fair, there's been a decent amount of content, and the rate of it is getting noticeably higher in the past week I've been on here as time goes on.
June 30th is a hard stop date for mobile usage on reddit, tho. I will not down load their app, nor will I start paying a monthly subscription for relay. I'll use old.redditon browser for some local subs every once in awhile, but it's not like I really have much of a choice if I don't want to use the official app. I imagine I'm not alone in that, and I'd guess a lot of the old guard die hards feel the same.
I mean look, I've used reddit the same way for about a decade now - shoehorning me into an environment that is multitudes worse just isn't going to happen. Not to mention - moderating and overall quality is going to nosedive. People are going to go back, but it's pretty clear at this point that reddit is bleeding to death. Things are going to be rough on the new tech for a year, but it'll get there. It's not the first time this has happened
I don't think the kind of people who are willing to try out some geeky experiment of a social network are totally dependent on Reddit culture.
Exodus from one network to another (or to nowhere) is a thing that's happened in the past, and if anything, people aren't willing to go back once they finally take the effort.
Tho I'm guessing lots of people have multiple accounts such as alts for r34, and may keep using those until Reddit finally shuts off all nsfw.
I think I'll have a look in a couple of days. But if they go through and kill 3rd party apps that's goodbye from me.
I used RiF exclusively for reddit, I tried to see how the app was but no, just absolute garbage for me.
It's ok though, I've been in between places before I want to give this places a try although I'm still confused as to how they are connected.
I like it here actually.
If my communities end up dying, then I'll be forced to move back but like I said, I like it here
It depends on whether someone's a member of the community or just because they want to scroll some epic memes. I expect many people are of the latter category and probably don't even understand what the fuss is about.
It's not like I'll never look at Reddit again if there's useful info on it but I won't be part of the Reddit community again after the scorn and disrespect they showed it - I hope to help build something new over here.
I can't do anything about Reddit's decisions but I can vote with my attention and help to build a compelling alternative.
As a near strictly mobile only user of Reddit for nearly 10 years, they have made the decision for me by forcing everyone to use their completely horrible app. On the rare occasions at work that a search result populates with a Reddit result, I'll probably still go there, but using an adblocking browser.
To me it is extremely difficult to justify Reddit actually achieving a worthwhile IPO when their product is reliant 100% on user generated content and volunteer moderation. As an investor, I would be concerned about the longevity of a forum that doesn't have adequate moderation tools, shows hostility against their own userbase, and a complete disregard for their own "AMA rules".
Reddit is dead. They have struck their own final blow.
It depends on how many communities migrate from reddit to lemmy. I will definitely not return to reddit on mobile once third party apps are shut down, but if reddit changes their stance and third party apps come back, I may go back if most of my communities haven’t migrated to lemmy.
I'm sure there will be a huge downtick, but there's also people like me who heard about Lemmy because of Reddit but this is totally something I'd support. Now that I know it's here, I have a source for my cat videos and obscure video game recommendations, I don't really need the activity and tumult of Reddit. I'm sure there are dozens like me. Dozens.
Not going back unless I’m looking for some obscure piece of knowledge. This fulfills my needs for news and conversations about niche topics. Hoping this keeps growing and new mobile apps come out to support it
I've been using Jerboa on Android, it works quite well! I especially appreciate the "all" feed where you can see posts from all instances.
A bit difficult to know if the app or the instance is bugging out when something goes wrong, but I've realized it's mostly the instance (lemmy.ml). I assume it's because all of us Reddit users have come over!
If it's anything like the incoming waves of new Fedi users, 50-65% will go back to their services of choice and never return to the Fediverse.
I'm not here because lemmy is better right now, but because I want to move towards open platforms and a better future. It's an investment. Deciding to move right back to reddit 2 days after they just stabbed you in the back is shortsighted in the extreme. Reddit will not stop until it devours itself and you along with it. Disabling the API is only the latest in a long line of anti-user changes in favor of money, and you can be sure there's more on the horizon.
I'd encourage anyone who isn't 100% satisfied with lemmy and its user experience right now to give it some leeway, because you're comparing the experience to reddit apps that have had years and years of polish. With a community and donations to servers and developers, we can quickly fix the most egregious papercuts. These are growing pains, and they won't last forever.
How many users here do you think are going to get bored and end up back on Reddit as soon as the blackout ends?
Most.
90% of the engagement I've seen regarding Lemmy is "Why isn't this Reddit and work exactly the same as Reddit? When WILL it work exactly the same as Reddit?"
I'm already seeing hostility a la "Well I guess we'll see if the devs LiStEn To ThIeR uSeRs" in regards to communities getting tied to a central authority, aka the thing this was explicitly designed to not do. I've been offloading my data and such to self hosted options for a few years now where I can anyway, so I'm down to stay, but I DO look forward to the end of the protest and the Reddit stans going home like nothing happened like they were always going to. > How many users here do you think are going to get bored and end up back on Reddit as soon as the blackout ends?
Even if I get bored here, I won’t go back.
Mostly everyone who will try kbin/lemmy as an alternative to Reddit. Unreal how bad the UI/UX is considering the time they've had to copy Reddit.
Lemmy
Kbin
"Fediverse"
I agree that Lemmy needs massive improvements to compete with Reddit, but it's still an improvement over Mastodon.
For an open source hobbyist project, it's quite good. I just hope that programmers help out.
Do note that a lot of this is created and maintained by people who don't have it as a full-time job and who likely have not experienced the surge of users that are currently moving from reddit. There are growing pains, there are going to be more, that's an unfortunate fact of the matter.
I think what will end up as a "make or break" factor for most is whether you believe in the underlying concept or not. Basically, do you believe in having a form of social media that is independent and federated, or do you prefer one that is centralized.
All this probably doesn't ease your frustrations but I think we all need to try to be patient at this point in time. Do come with constructive criticism, that is almost always beneficial, but be aware that it's gonna take time to get everything sorted.
I think prob half of the people who give lemmy a chance, I think we're just a vocal minority, most people who post on Reddit and the enthusiasts that give a damn about design and shit, so that's why a ton of subs a going dark, but most of the people probably don't care, some of them are still going to join lemmy(hence the 50%) but there just isn't enough content
changing to lemmy has completely changed how it use this type of app, 70% of the posts were pics/vids, but here there's a bigger focus of text and the amount of pics are closer to 20%
I’ll still always rely on Reddit for obscure answers to questions when googling, but I plan on staying with Lemmy once Apollo is taken down. I’ve been trying it out and adjusting to it during the blackout and as long as the community stays somewhat consistent, I like it here more. Reminds me of when I first joined Reddit over a decade ago.
I usually wont quit an app over changes like this but Reddit to me is different. I like Reddit for being a place to find new communities to join and interact with what’s popular, and since the spez ama and the removal of 3rd party apps I just don’t trust it to stay that way anymore. The last thing I want to see Reddit become is another infinite scrolling content feed that an algorithm thinks you’ll like so you never want to stop scrolling. And I’m assuming since they just want to seek profit that’s what it will eventually become.
It depends on a lot of factors, depends on twitter response and what the mods chose to do about it.
Personally, with the twitter shenanigans, I stopped paying for their blue thing and don’t use it unless someone links to it. So my Twitter usage has down to the floor.
I may take the same approach to Reddit. There is still time to change course, but I’ll go where the crowd goes, and keep tabs on alternatives. I will stop paying for premium and don’t open it as much, and hope Lemmy keeps me occupied enough.
Every day, I open jerboa and see like 5x more communities with a lot of activity. If we can keep up this level of growth for another week or so, then i don't think I'll miss Reddit much. Especially if i really have to download the official app. On the other hand, if Reddit backs down at the last minute and agrees to allow third party apps, then i could see lemmy users going back to Reddit out of habit.
If I had to guess, I would think that a disappointingly large amount of people will go back to normal reddit use, even if nothing changes. People hate changing their routine.
I had barely heard of Lemmy before any of this started, and many others have similar stories about that. The servers yesterday however, were super busy. That leads me to believe that there may be a lot of lurkers in addition to the new accounts.
In the long run, I feel like many of us will start using Lemmy a lot more often. This kind of reminds me of the death of a few other social media platforms. Over time, I think this community may continue to grow, and could become what reddit once was to digg. This time though, there's federation on the platform.
If Lemmy plays their hand right, they could easily top reddit overall within a few years, especially if reddit keeps treating their mods and communities poorly.
At this point, it's about principle. I would have been less angry at reddit if they just came out and said they were removing 3rd party apps. Instead, we got a sh*tshow with false accusations, lies, and ignorance. I say ignorance, because a lot of people have been complaining about the official apps accessibly options, yet reddit does nothing to help them. Moderators have been complaining about how the official app makes it very difficult to moderate, yet reddit still did nothing. Somehow though, they're awesome at plugging in as many ads as possible, and they are brilliant at eating excessive amounts of data.
Even if reddit comes back, I think I'm gone.
I agree, I do hope Lemmy strives tbh. When there is more content, there is more traction. Let’s just keep these discussions going and spread the word around. I talk to my coworkers during lunch break about the Reddit blackout and told them about Lemmy (but I usually start the conversation with “do you use Reddit”)
What will make me return to reading Reddit is all those old posts and comments on very specific topics. It doesn't mean I'll stop using Lemmy (especially if some communities I follow migrate here entirely), but there's no proper replacement for Reddit yet.
Also, I've found no app for Lemmy working on Android 7. For Reddit, I'm using Stealth: it's incredibly useful that you can create multiple pseudo-accounts with different subscription lists and saved posts without ever logging in or having an account. API changes are a sad development, but Stealth has an option to work by scraping old.reddit.com - unless they happen to delete it, of course.