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[–] kplaceholder@lemmy.ml 71 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There was some proposal that I have seen multiple times on Lemmy and at least once on the GitHub repo that communities should be able to subscribe to each other much like users can subscribe to communities. I vastly prefer this to other proposals such as auto-merging communities with the same name, which I can think of a few ways that can go wrong.

It would also be reasonably intuitive for the average user, since following stuff is already a familiar action you take on social media. You wouldn't really need to understand the quirks of federation to know why posting to one community makes it appear on other downstream communities. And as far as I know about ActivityPub (which is admittedly not much), it's not a stretch use it to implement a feature like this.

I wonder if this proposal ever reached anywhere.

[–] Peter_Arbeitslos@feddit.org 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] kplaceholder@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago

The idea that I'm talking about is actually more like communities forming a network, with chains of following. If I host a new instance and create a memes community in it, I'd like to start having that community follow memes @ lemmy.ml and memes @ lemmy.world, so that the community already has content from the get-go, but users may be able to post memes that are unique to my instance and its followers. The followers would also see memes from upstream unless my community unfollows them, as long as they don't also follow them independently.

This model of the network would allow each community to independently determine which other communities it thematically implies, without the user having to follow all 4 communities with the same name but different content across the platform.

The multireddit suggestion is more like having directories/tags for communities. It wouldn't achieve quite the same thing, but it would be useful as well. Both ideas can coexist and complement each other.

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[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm quite deliberately avoiding lemmy.world, so no, we shouldn't just put everything on there.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wym, don't you want Reddit but somehow more self righteous?

[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 8 points 1 week ago

You put it better than I could, it's exactly the self-righteousness that puts me off. And they basically control what gets defederated singlehandedly.

[–] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 1 week ago (11 children)

I blocked .world because it's a centrist shit hole that serves to do nothing but piss me off with whiners who don't do shit about fuck complaining about tankies and fascists as though their no side taking ass even has a fucking seat at the table.

Fuck .world

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[–] towelie@lemm.ee 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Just chiming in to throw some light hearted shade at lemmy.world for defederating from the piracy communities. My time on lemmy.world was really poor, and I came away not thinking too highly of Lemmy as a whole. My experience in different instances has been a world of difference, and I finally get fantastic content in my feeds and am fully on board with Lemmy

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago

Yep, their defederation from piracy comms and moderation of Luigi-related politics are my two biggest gripes with the instance administration itself.

[–] Sergio@slrpnk.net 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Crazy talk. Next you're gonna say we only need one 196 instead of five.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To be fair onehundrednintysix exists because the 196 mods are a bunch of shitlibs, also 19864 exists because tbh I thought it was funny and I still do (also its more left wing)

[–] Sergio@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So if I'm right about this....

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Also 19864 was originally a subreddit that I used to be very active in and I just wanted it here (the rest is accurate)

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[–] Peter_Arbeitslos@feddit.org 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
[–] blackberry@midwest.social 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

isn't the point of the fediverse to not consolidate?

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[–] teagrrl@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 week ago

but lemmy.ml users are by far funnier and more based

[–] finickydesert@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago (5 children)

no, because not everyone likes to join lemmy.world because of the fedipact.

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

It didn’t used to be like this. Maybe take it up with the brave patriot who’s made it his sacred duty to repost ml memes to world, in the hopes of convincing the world admins to defederate from ml.

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

critical support to that lone soldier, I hope he succeeds in his mission, I would love to never see another .world post

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[–] archchan@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

I think it would be cool if something like "meta-communities" existed. Fully adjustable, fully optional. Less duplicates.

You'd sub to one meta c/memes or c/news and see a combined feed of all known instance's versions. Post to whichever you want, show up in the meta (if you want).

If you still want to block from the meta sub or individually sub to c/memes on ABC instance, you could do that. Moderation would be subject to the instance the user posted on, subject to broader instance admin's defederations and stuff.

Idk just a quick idea. Decentralization is good, but a little bit of... aggregation like this could go a long way without actually centralizing power. Could help communities (big and small niche) to grow.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So, think through how this looks in the long run. Hell, just think about what this prioritizes.

You have five communities covering the same topic. There's, what? 500? 1000? 2000 people active in them? Enough that there is a steady stream of posts and comments in all of them. They're all housed on separate websites, and those websites maybe have different goals and different rules. So, people start lumping them together in aggregate feeds.

What does that look like? In practice, how do users treat this?

They treat it as if they're all one community. As if they're all in one place. All managed by one cohesive set of rules (or, realistically, most people treat all spaces as if none of them have rules, and then put up a stink when they're met with the consequences of this).

Then, they start expecting to not see duplicates. So, which community's posts do they see when there are multiples? Oh, that's easy: all of them! They will start expecting comments to be merged. So, now you have people treating all of the communities not only as if they're interchangeable, but as if they're all one.

This is a backdoor to not just homogenization, but to quiet hostile takeovers of smaller communities by larger ones. All because users are too damn entitled to just pick one that most closely meets their needs and contribute to it.

We don't need meta-communities. We need people to get over their fucking FOMO.

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This is a fantastic idea. I really love the decentralization of Lemmy, but I do feel the side effects of having many copies of the same subject on different instances.

And to your point, I'd love for niche communities to have a larger audience. I need somewhere to post and read about project zomboid.

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[–] Crumbgrabber@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Peter_Arbeitslos@feddit.org 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thanks for this detailed reasoning.

[–] pseudo@jlai.lu 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Or... And here me out... when can go descentralised ;-)

Don't take it wrong. I dislike to check multiples communities just like you but then I remember how centralised my life is and I'm fine with it.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 week ago

yeah, I thought the whole point of lemmy was not to centralize everything ... it's nice when things are spread across separate instances, as long as the instances federate

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 week ago

Nah, I want more, smaller communities.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago

MAKE .WORLD EVERYTHING!

Õr mãybê dõñ't

[–] Actionschnils@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Memes under lemmy.ml glorified stalin just shortly ago. My first post calling Stalin a Monster and explaining a little, was just deleted. Afterwards they tried to tell me that all his crimes and crulties were fake news or necessary evils.

Prett fucked up imho

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago

How much libs whine about fuckin everything except the anglosphere is exactly why I'm glad there's an ml instance

[–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Your proposal is much too streamlined.

Perhaps you presume memes are a commodity of which consumption should be maximized!

Nay, I say. Memes are an essential nutrient that becomes toxic in larger doses.

Thus, they must be scattered about in the environment to be encountered by happenstance whilst I pursue my main information foraging goal of finding ad hoc justification for my durable sense of dread.

Memes, uhh, find a way.

Do whatever you want but I am planning many epic shitposts pretty much anywhere I can get a reaction.

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