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elon musk, mark zuckerberg, J.K rowling! Are the names that come to mind.

3 from different background: a African immigrant benefiting from government spending, an American smart young engineer, and a female English successful writer.

They are no politicians, and cant be accuse of trying to gather some vote. Multi-billions amongst them.

I get they lean to the right to protect their cash, with less tax and regulation. I get they are racist because they fear some poor people will take their cash.

But why the hatred for trans people ? It's 1% of the population, they cant do anything, dont threaten anyone. There is no rational or psychological reason

*EDIT: I read all the comments. A lot of interesting explanation: smokescreen/scapegoat, maintaining the male/female power structure, new face of anti-gay , projection / self-hatred , just louder voice ...

I realize, may be, I didn't post a good question. May be it is less about the ultra-rich but more about why that rhetoric work on the general population (else it would not have taken hold as it does). For that I have a 2 cent theory: The raise of the cult of Nature we have since the global warming. The idea, that everything natural is better. The ugly version is only natural male and female are worthy*

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[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 1 month ago

preface: conjecture

musk and zuckerberg benefit from “othering” a group so that the majority of people get caught up in arguing about the rights of that group. While you’re busy being distracted by that they can push for agendas that benefit their companies and personal wealth, which inherently fuck you over.

musk does seem to have a personal vendetta as well given his issues with his trans daughter but I truly think this is ancillary to enriching his wealth and power. He also seems to love getting involved in topics that rile people up because deep down he’s a 14 year old reddit troll

rowling is double down and attention. She has a shit take, posts about it, people call her out. She’s a literal billionaire “beloved author” used to being surrounded by hangers on so being challenged wrecks her shit. Rather than reflect and look at scientific consensus she doubles down on her shit take. Because of people like above this gets her increasing amounts of attention and relevance so her beliefs are reaffirmed and deepened constantly. Now she’s consulted to speak authoritatively on the matter despite having no actual qualification other than being a rich lady who got into twitter arguments about it

Many of these apply to nobodies as well. Your stupid anti trans neighbor benefits from “othering” someone because it gives them someone to deflect blame onto. For most of American history it was black people, or Hispanic people, sometimes Jews, basically any minority. They also will double down when called out on shit takes and will absolutely respond to attention given for shit takes.

[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 1 month ago (3 children)

All threaten the oldest hierarchy of all: man over woman.

As for musk, he has a trans child he hates and disowned. And he’s a Nazi, straight up. Family left Canada to go to apartheid South Africa because they agreed with apartheid and white racial supremacy. See the hierarchy here?

Zuck is an opportunist who will align with anything that makes him money. But he also has a weird obsession with Roman history that’s a red flag to me about being a closet fascist.

Jk Rowling is a second wave feminist and she’s big mad that people without vaginas can call themselves women and be in women’s spaces.

[–] Alice 16 points 1 month ago

All threaten the oldest hierarchy of all: man over woman.

Pretty much this. I remember being a teenager and hearing the most basic watered-down gender theory and being really confused and upset. Even back then I knew it was because, for it to be true, it meant a lot of things I take for granted about society were actually totally irrelevant. Unfortunately some people don't ever have to confront their cognitive dissonance, they just use their money and power to enforce the status quo they're used to.

Jk Rowling is a second wave feminist and she’s big mad that people without vaginas can call themselves women and be in women’s spaces.

Unfortunately you could have the best neo-vagina money could buy and terfs would still find an excuse to exclude you. It's not truly about genitalia, it's about being trans.

[–] ooli2@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

so 3 different agenda, with the same result. Probably it is as coincidental as that

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

an post op trans people be in women places?

[–] f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 month ago

We're at the point that trans people get arrested for being in either bathroom.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 24 points 1 month ago

They are frequently interviewed.

Which means they are frequently asked: “Why’s everything fucked up?”

They can’t give the real answer, which is “ultra-rich people”.

So they give no answer at all (in which case you don’t hear about it) or they cite the Enemy Of The Day.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's called smokescreen. Turns the attention of the masses away of their wealth and power

[–] ooli2@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I get it. But that smokescreen is achieved with anti-immigrant rhetoric. Throwing Trans in , seems so random

[–] Sl00k@programming.dev 4 points 1 month ago

This smoke screen around LGBTQ+ and anti immigration has been stoked for nearly 30 years in order to veer away from the actual discussion and laws around wealth inequality, healthcare, etc. It's all a guise against minority groups who can't fight back. Sometimes positive sometimes negative, but at the end of the day billionaires stoke the fear around these minority groups and they get to keep growing their billions without restriction.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 3 points 1 month ago

The rhetoric against immigrants serves as a more general purpose blaming scheme. Economy bad because immigrants. You're unemployed because immigrants. Crime because immigrants. Your bad grades are immigrants.

LGBTQ+ rights have always been a contentious point because it has always worked incredibly well for diverting attention on all sides, especially the media. The right always paints them as these depraved monsters that will convert children into gay communist sex on schools, which is a "threat" that's "up close and personal"

[–] papertowels@lemmy.one 2 points 1 month ago

Reality has a left leaning bias. Immigrants have largely become normalized, so they need something else to scrape goat.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 20 points 1 month ago

My personal opinion is twofold:

  1. they need a diversion. Like a magician (or more accurate a pickpocket) they will take anything to make people blind while they amass their power. It is a sickness of the mind. They are addicted to power and ever anxious to loose it. Minorities are a good enemy for the people to blame the problems on that these people either cause themselves or dont want to take care of. In the past it was witches, nowadays it is other minorities.
  2. minorities have been fighting for a place in the world for a long time and there have been significant improvements. But that is not a positive development if you want to rule supreme. If you‘re power crazed, you need people to fall in line. Otherwise it wont work. We have ample evidence that only a sufficiently subdued population will not rise up against authority.
[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Its alla diversion.

Find some group that is different, then shit on them and make them look bad publicly while this relatively small group can't so much to talk back publicly.

It'll outrage the public, they'll start looking at the group while trump and Co then go and rob the state blind while no one is looking

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 4 points 1 month ago

Yep.

To add to that, I've found a lot of people in the working class care a lot about class differentiators and will spend a lot of time trying to profess how they should be viewed at a higher relative ranking since they can't rely on money or heritage to do it for them.

So, if you create an out group for them, a lot of them will latch on to that idea since it raises their relative value in a meaningful way.

[–] golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They will pick whatever group they think will suddenly put as many idiots as possible under their control when they say "GROUP A IS BAD".

Most of them don't care they are trans, they only care that they can take advantage of the oppression of a minority group in order to consolidate control over people so that they can oppress more people.

When everyone alive and dead is either oppressed or under your control, you become god. This is the goal, but they don't care about the process to get there.

[–] manicdave@feddit.uk 15 points 1 month ago

They want you fighting a culture war to keep your mind off the class war.

The mainstream "left", such as the Democrats benefit from this too.

Draw the national party lines between bigoted and non-bigoted. Now everyone can fight over that and nobody has to address the fact that two thirds of the country want universal healthcare.

[–] papertowels@lemmy.one 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They keep you fighting a culture war so you don't fight a class war.

[–] f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 month ago

The US right-wing was constantly bitching about "cancel culture" and now that they are in power they are cancelling everything they can.

[–] prototype_g2@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago

It is a useful distraction from the surplus value extraction from the proletariat to the bourgeoisie.

The Bourgeoisie hire workers and pay them for their work. But with what money? The money made by selling a product or service. But who did the work to create said product or service? The workers did. So workers do work, which makes money for the company. But do the workers receive all of it? After all, they did all the work. But no, no they don't. If the Bourgeoisie gave all the money the workers to back to the workers, them how could the Bourgeoisie make a profit? It thereby must follow that the Bourgeoisie pay their workers less than the value they produce, thereby stealing that money from the workers.

You might say "but the bourgeoisie own the company! And they also do some work themselves! Some people's work just contributes more than others." Yeah, yeah, but who gets to decide how much of the pie each person gets? How much should be reinvested and what not? Who gets to decide what is done with the money made? The Bourgeoisie! But why them? Why do the workers not have a say in how the money they made is used? Because the Bourgeoisie had enough money to buy the means necessary to make money (the factories, infrastructure or whatever) and the workers did not. How did the Bourgeoisie get all that money you ask? By stealing worker's wages.


What does this have to do with trans people?

  1. All it takes for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing.

This whole anti-trans thing is a useful distraction. Bad people will believe it's those dam trans people's fault their country is shit and not investigate any further. Good people will be distracted arguing against the bad people on why being trans isn't evil, all the while the real culprits laugh as we fight each other.

Remember: Desperate people make great workers and distracted citizens. Keep people busy with basic necessities and they won't have time or energy to realize who is really exploiting them.

  1. It makes trans folk more exploitable

Racism a misogyny is useful for the Bourgeoisie as it allows them to pay lower wages. The bourgeoisie want to pay their workers a little as possible. Desperate jobless people are more willing to take a bad deal because any job is better than homelessness. That means the more desperate people there are, the lower the wages they can pay, as they can replace workers who demand a higher wage with workers from this reserve.

Racism keeps people of color in poverty allowing them to be more easily exploited. Misogyny justifies paying women half the wage of a man, which is exactly what the Bourgeoisie want.

Likewise, if trans folk are illegalized that will make it hard for them to find a job, adding even more people to the reverse army of labour.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 month ago
[–] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It is easy for many people to think trans wars is a distraction, scapegoating, or a genuine threat to the authoritarian world view. I ask you to carefully consider that anti-trans hate is genuine.

Nazis had prioritized Jewish genocide and pursued it to an irrational degree, even prioritized the genocide to actually winning the war. Some analysts say that this shows their war was always and primarily against civilian Jews.

We have evidence to think this is the case with trans people now.

The recent "anti-christian bias" order outright frames trans rights as an enemy of their ingroup.

Reed has covered the leaked Christian emails that show them believe trans people are demons and evil incarnation and want to wipe them from the face of the earth.

Rowling has been caught on tape saying she wants to minimize the number of people transitioning so that they have less work to do "special accommodations later" for trans people.

For those aware of the term Sonderbehandlung this leaves no doubt: trans people are their primary enemy, they have poured their millions into the pockets of nutjobs and politicians that will relieve them from having to live side by side with trans people.

Don't be fooled that this is just distraction and/or scapegoating by power-mongers.

They have a trans Holocaust in the making and they have already put the plot in motion. ACT NOW

Edit:

I realize I might have not responded directly to OP's question. See the following for my take.

My analysis linking Bathroom Bans as early signs of completely banning trans people out of public life https://lemmy.ml/post/25037664

I wrote this while still believing that anti-trans hate was an election-winning distraction. It partly responds to where anti-trans hate comes from https://lemmy.ml/post/24711061

In this sense many people are deeply transphobic, but billionaires have the resources to eradicate trans people from public life. The rest can only curse, badmouth, trash, verbally attack, workplace harass, fire, refuse healthcare, sexually or physically attack or mob-lynch trans people. Every transphobe does as much as they can get away with. Billionaire transphobes can get away with genocide so they're doing that.

Additional resources in support of the argument

Summary of early Holocaust course of events and why targeted people were not mobilized https://lemmy.ml/post/25008729/16208799

Erin Reed article on fundamentalist anti-trans lobbyists' leaked emails https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/2600-leaked-anti-trans-lobbyist-emails

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

They saw /egg_irl and blame them for why eggs are now expensive.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

As far as I can tell, they didn't. J.K is a straight example, but Elon went looking for an edgy movement to align with, and Zuckerberg just wants to stay rich.

Your everyday regressives want to go after trans people because they don't think they can take gay people on anymore. Some political movements have capitaised on this to gain their support, and have captured rich supporters as well because trans abuse is compatible with the rich continuing to gain more and more power.

How rich are the Wichowski sisters? You bet they're not a fan of any of this.

[–] ooli2@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You might be right: it's a rebranding of anti-gay sentiment.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 month ago

I really think it is. Like you said, it's such a small group there's no rational, pragmatic reason for cis people to get upset.

[–] SteposVenzny 6 points 1 month ago

Trans people’s very existence requires the rest of us to question our own upbringing. There are a lot of childhood experiences that boil down to you doing something or not doing something on no basis other than the fact that you were told.

You were told by your family, you were told by your friends, you were told by random strangers, you were told by the media, and they were all telling you the same thing. So you listened, even though you didn’t know why they were saying it. Surely EVERYBODY can’t be wrong, right? Some people might have told you something contrary but they were the losers, the outcasts, the villains. You don’t want to be any of that, surely?

For someone to transition, they are required to do the exact opposite of what so many told us all. They embrace the very outcome we were threatened with when we failed to conform, that we would not actually be the gender we were failing to conform to.

To accept that they are valid in doing so requires us to admit that many of our own guiding forces were actually just bullshit. We have to question why we are the way we are anew. If what they’re doing is strong, what we did, what we’re continuing to do, was weak.

When confronted with the idea that we were all just raised wrong and that much of what we collectively spend our time and energy stressing about is stupid and pointless, how many people do you know that will just shrug and say “oh well” and then move on with their lives? Easier to find an excuse to keep doing what you were already doing. “They’re just lying because they’re perverts that wanna cheat at sports.”

Some of these rich people are insidious and manipulative, no doubt, but the loud ones are usually just idiots no different from the uncle you don’t want to talk to except that being rich means they’re able to yell louder.

I always thought it was about power. Maintaining power structures requires a clear dividing line, somewhere. The line between women and men is artificially upheld, to create the illusion that there's "naturally two categories in everything". If people got the idea that you could "transition", that would overthrow a whole lot of the artificial divides that we have in our society today.

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

Divide and conquer. A united population is harder to subjugate.

[–] Nexy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 month ago

Its a thing of domination and power. If there are less people with human rights, you can exercise your power more without restrictions.

first the trans, then the gays, then the "other races", then the women, then the poor. and boom, only the elite have rights.

[–] thezeesystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago

Mostly a people to blame and for others to fear monger, it's a way to make people look the other way also, a common "enemy" instigated from the true enemy. And sense there is not a lot of trans people statistically it's hard for them to defend themselves. It's all about manipulation and control over the people

[–] stardust@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

They may not be politicians but they spend money to get themselves into positions of political power as these few days have shown with Musk. And these people get most of their power from the masses that are dumb enough and bigoted enough to be swayed by a shared common hatred of groups to scapegoat for everything.

[–] Zikeji@programming.dev 3 points 1 month ago

Because there are alot of ignorant people in the world afraid of what they perceive as different.

In your first two examples, regardless of not being politicians it's clear that by helping put politicians in power they benefit, so whether they genuinely care or not, it's just about money and lack of compassion to them. And continuing to drive class warfare continues to benefit them.

In your last example, I think that person is just in the ignorant and afraid of change category with an unfortunate amount of exposure.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Most people agree with the ultrarich on this issue (at least initially, before social media insanity), but only the ultrarich can afford making arbitrary people hate them without any good reason. That's why it looks like only the billionaires are doing it.

Then they go to Twitter with these opinions and go insane and the whole thing enters a neverending tailspin.

Elon is slightly different insofar that one of his own kids is trans. So that's not entirely due to Twitter, but there's also some lived experience at the bottom of it all (I assume here that he spent time with said child).

[–] apotheotic 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

"Most people agree with the ultrarich on this issue (at least initially, before social media insanity)"

Are you saying most people are anti-trans? And that people who aren't anti-trans are somehow not of sane mind?

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Are you saying most people are anti-trans?

No, I think it's more nuanced than just black-or-white allies and anti-trans people. The level of pro- or anti-transness within individuals falls on a spectrum that's shaped like a bell curve, and the majority in the middle are usually amenable to trans rights if they bump into the issue in a way that resonates with them. Like for instance in their personal life with friends or family.

But less amenable if they mostly face the issue on TV, social media or via angry activists. You might then recognize these people as anti-trans, especially if the issue is deeply personal to you.

And that people who aren’t anti-trans are somehow not of sane mind?

No, that's not what I was trying to say. In fact, I'd say that genuinely anti-trans people (the other end of the bell curve) are the insane ones. Socio- and/or psychopathic. My claim (possibly a bit extraordinary claim in this day and age) is that most people are not at that end.

[–] apotheotic 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I agree with what you've said for the most part but I find no correlation between it and what your initial comment said. Maybe I'm just tired.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don't want to pretend that this (this being how and why people think the way they think about trans rights et al) is a simple issue, which is why what I say on two different comments might be slightly incongruent. I think I was mostly answering your specific question in my second comment without so much trying to address or bolster my first comment.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I wouldn't say that JK Rowling was "going after" transfolk, she just didn't agree with their premise. I wouldn't go so far as to say that's hatred

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[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I do wonder what their end game is. History surely will not look on them favourably, so who would want to be the villain on the world stage? Yes history is written by the victors, but only for a short while until the truths come out. I just can't understand why anyone would deliberately want to be on the wrong side of history.

[–] ooli2@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

most real-life villain thinks they are doing good. JK Rowling rhetoric is all about "protecting women". She probably is certain she is some sort of martyr trying to save the world

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[–] Dropper_Post@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We do not know for sure. But couple things are clear. Once you have money - you have the power. Meaning you can express your opinion with less fucks given. They probably associate trans people with sexual perversion. Where a man becomes a woman and then goes to womens bathrooms or sucks other men dicks and some probably do have sex without ever getting pregnant and bringing another slave into capitalism. I think transition from women to men could be seen with less stigma and reasons for transitioners could differ. But again think if you had children and kindergarten teacher is some dude who become a woman but probably still has penis and man’s brain and you leave your little one with them for a few years to grow and develop. I dont know i dont know.. 😂 problem is trans associated with sexual perversion and normal people are usually not comfortable with that.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Deeply unserious of you to consider yourself "normal" when this is your understanding of gender and sexuality. Touch grass and talk to people.

[–] Dropper_Post@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

so tell me what do i need to know to understand it better? What else is there? ;D

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

We don't have men's brains. Scans actually show that our brain structures are more similar with our gender identity than our assigned gender at birth, especially after hormonal and social transitioning.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Just the general fixation on gender as a sexual thing and not a gender thing, the dehumanization of transgender individuals, and vague connections to pedophilia and "child corruption" that don't exist, as well as erasing trans identities and othering them, referring to brains as "male brains" for transwomen, the list goes on. Touch grass.

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