Asklemmy

For me it's not about TikTok. It's about using whatever flimsy, poorly worded law they will make to ban a platform I don't use to open the door for further bans and possible censorship in the future. A platform should be allowed to function if it can. If it's horribly made, or supremely unprofitable it'll find its own way out. I don't use it, I don't plan on ever using it, and honestly it doesn't affect my daily life outside of my mother in law thinking that some of the pallet crafts on there are worthwhile and me having to explain that they'll look good for a moment and then fall apart rather quickly.

Look, TikTok is trash, but clearly the people championing this ban don't care at all about data privacy or social media manipulation. Ban none, or ban them all.

The one true way to resolve this issue (IMO) is to pass a digital bill of rights, regulating these social media corporations, and forcing them to make their products safe for all ages.

Banning one of many is pissing in the wind, and I don't enjoy urine in my face (no judgement if that's your thing, it's just not mine).

government bans social media because it makes it too easy to see the devastating results of wars that we profit off of

"Who cares about Tik Tok dances?!?!"

When Tik Tok gets banned they can and will ban other platforms (ex: Lemmy, Mastadon, Peertube, Matrix, Signal). They will also attempt to ban secure vpns (MullvadVPN) and "encurage" censorship on major platforms.

Because it's censorship by the goverment? also all the bad shit you mentioned can be easily found in most other social media too, should those be banned as well then?

It matters whether the government can do things like this at all, because if they can do it to TikTok, they can do it to anyone and anything else. TikTok may or may not be a good platform, that doesn't matter at all.

App plaforms contain propaganda but America wants to control the propaganda. TikTok shows what happens when America does not. Suddenly when presented with different viewpoints not allowed on American platforms, people change their opinion of America. See the censorship on Palestine on American platforms as an example.

I don't care about tik tok, I hate it. But its concerning how the government could just bypass the first amendment. They could ban Lemmy Instances next.

You shouldn't keep TikTok, it's trash, same as most social media. But this also shows why banning it is bad. It's not significantly different from any of the other brain-numbing, privacy-disrespecting trash out there.

It's not being targeted for the things that are wrong with it, it's targeted because it's a Chinese company. That's the problem with the ban.

1. The legal framework and argumentation used to justify the ban is worrisome and can be applied overbroadly in the suppression of speech.

2. Despite this broad possible argumentation, it has just been, and will likely continue to be, wielded in a way targeted towards suppression of speech in a targeted, nationalistic, and at times overtly racist ways. (See: "Senator, I'm Singaporean, not Chinese.")

3. Like it or not, it's become a large repository of internet history and online conversation. The loss of the platform is the loss of that history.

If the government had particular problems with the platform's practices and behaviors, it would have been able to field an actual lawsuit with real charges, or levy fines. This "sell or be banned" is a clear grab for power more than any actual gesture towards protecting the people.

The only people who support the ban are boot licking idiots who don't know the real reason why it's being banned in the first place. The only reason TikTok is being banned is Marky Mark and Muskrat don't like competition to their own platforms. Platforms they are happy to censor for the US government's own devices. TikTok isn't doing anything other social media platforms are doing as far as data collection, they are just not based in the USA so Uncle Sam can't step in and demand the data. The whole thing is a production of hypocrisy and goose stepping politics.

there's also an economic problem with banning tiktok: tens of millions of americans rely on it as a source of income and its banning will effectively become the biggest layoff in american history and will have detrimental impacts to our already fraught economic situation.

A TikTok ban would consolidate more power into the hands of Mark Zuckerberg and Meta. Arguably, that's worse.

I don't think tiktok is worse then any other large platform. All platforms have brain rot, all platforms have dumb challenges and all platforms do a lot of spying.

I'd hope this is just a freakout about someone else spying, but It feels like an excuse to start banning a whole bunch of stuff for flimsy reasons.

... and as for the spying itself, I would be far more worried about my local government getting that data then China. I don't live anywhere near China, what are going to do? Sell me stuff? like google does?

People doing stupid challenges. People’s attention span getting lower and lower. People pretending they’re more popular than life itself because of their faux acting and lip-syncing

Sorry but this reeks of moral panic.

Honestly you’re wrong. Tiktok has a lot of slop but it also has a lot of the front line reporting about social movements and crimes that Reddit thinks it has or maybe used to have.

All the reasons people cite for supporting the ban are problems with other social media platforms.

Also I think it's pretty dumb to support government censorship over cringe.

I know why it’s being banned or has been banned or whatever.

Maybe you don't. It is the only non zionist media platform in the US. The zionist offers to buy it are happy to not include the algorithm behind its success. Just to let them censor it. The ban did move forward during the Oct 7th and election cycle psyops, and Tiktok did not prevent voter suppression that gives Israel 4 years to implement its final solution.

It doesn't specifically have any strong/empire reason to be banned now. FB/Google/Musk donations to Trump are new reasons, that can enhance their properties.

If you actually knew all of this already, then you might not ask why it matters. Do you "know differently"?

I don't use tiktok, I've never been interested in using tiktok, and if it was just going out of business or something then I would give precisely zero fuckaroos.

But I don't need the government making the decision to block it for me arbitrarily. I confess that I'm not studied up on the reasoning behind blocking it (I've mostly heard about security concerns), but if Congress and the supreme court actually cared about digital security, then they'd be passing a bill of digital rights right now. Instead of doing that, they're set on going after TikTok specifically, which tells us two things:

• Because they aren't passing blanket digital privacy rights, it's likely that TikTok is not the only company committing these privacy violations, but they don't want to punish the "wrong" company.
• Given the previous point, it follows that they don't actually care about digital privacy (duh), so the actual reason for banning them is likely something else. Other people in this thread have pointed out that the US government can't control propaganda on TikTok like they can other social media, but it could also be as simple as clearing the way for American competitors/lobbyists who stand to profit from the ban.

So yeah, like you I don't use tiktok so I'm not directly affected by the ban, I might've even supported it if it was due to an impartial bill of digital rights, but reasoning behind the actual ban is clearly bullshit on principle just by being so specific, and it sets a dangerous precedent. You saying that TikTok is shit so you don't care if it gets injustly and unconstitutionally banned is no different then saying that George Floyd was a criminal so you don't care if he was murdered by cops sans-due-process. You're being distracted, soulifix. Think about it, if the government cared about addressing the issues with TikTok that you brought up in your post, why are they going after TikTok specifically instead of addressing that behavior generally?

Tiktok has been useful for several groups that are normally extremely supressed with other algorithmic social media. Tiktok isn't geared towards the "what will make you angry therefore keep scrolling" or "what will make you buy more things" motivations that facebook et. al. are geared towards, so it will actually show you things you care about. It also has a tendency to show you opposing viewpoints from time to time, which makes it surprisingly useful for deprogramming people from misinformation.

For people with specific medical disorders or conditions, tiktok was excellent for finding others and sharing information. For people of different minorities that are normally supressed on social media, it was excellent for building community.

So sure, if all you watch on it was dancing teenagers, that's what you are gonna get: Vine 2.0. If you curate your feed a little then it'd help you branch out from your interests without the primary goal of keeping your eyes peeled to it or grabbing more ad revenue.

if you are part of a group that tiktok was basically the only social media network that had ever been helpful for, it's a big deal that it's going away. Its not about the format of the videos, but the algorithm and its focus on your interests rather than making money.

I hate everything the US government does

TikTok apparently pays creators significantly more than other apps.

It's one of the only platforms that doesn't actively suppress left wing views with its algorithm.

I'd be fine with EU style regulations on social media, or depending on how it's written, a more broader ban of social media in general. But banning tiktok only will do nothing to address the concerns you raised. Instead it just funnels people into social media ecosystems that greatly favor right wing sentiment and allow easy access for the 3 letter agencies.

It's about maintaining the ability to manufacturer consent. Tiktok presents a hurdle to that.

It has its bads and a lot of the content is worthless trash, but it's also a really good way to see what's going on around the world from those people's perspectives. You see a lot of stuff that doesn't make it to Reddit or Twitter.

It's a lot harder to be against Ukraine when you can see the horrors minutes after a Russian strike.

The government hates it because they can't control it. They'd rather people only see what the mainstream media says, and not the fact everyone sympathizes with Luigi.

The free speech argument is genuine, despite how much I hate the shady practices of the platform.

It's about your rights.

I want to decide if tik tok is a horrible thing that I don't want to use and then choose not to use it. I don't need the government telling me what is okay and not okay. I'm a grown up and can make that decision for myself.

Cheat sheet: look at all government policies and politicians this way. Regardless if you agree or disagree with the topic/results look at what idea or concept or precedence it sets forth and decide from there. (I personally hate tik tok for many reasons, both socio and political in nature and think it should be burned from he earth - but I don't support a ban on it) Second cheat sheet: if after that analysis you decide you support an idea, then ask how it gets paid for (whats the soirce of the financing) and who's in charge of it (how the money gets spent) and what checks and measures are in place to keep it productive (how it gets regulated).

I don't know if I'm about to say something that someone has already stated but there are a few reasons I'm aware of.

1. There is nothing preventing another platform from becoming another TikTok. All of the problematic users will just migrate to some other platform that probably has less moderation and continue doing everything they were doing before.

2. I've seen some concern about what it could do to the economy. A lot of content creators on TikTok were making money from it and some were successful enough to make a living. Some of these users have expressed that they were either unable to gain an audience on other major platforms or they were banned from them, making TikTok their only significant income source.

3. There are concerns about the hypocrisy of banning TikTok for spying on it's users when other platforms and services, like Facebook and Windows, do pretty much the same thing.

they're banning tiktok because people there are denouncing the crimes of israel and, and the ties to the US gvt, and they can't force censorship like they can on US-based platforms, which are as bad, or even worse, in terms of data protection (since they keep selling & getting the data break which will inevitably end up in chinese hands anyway)

Because it is a source of addiction imho

I thought the ban was a threat. What they really want is the success of Tiktok to be owned by the US. That's why they were happy at one point if Tiktok sold to a US company.

Made in the USA.... or taken by force.

My TikTok feed is rather radical, which is a non+option on all the other corporate platforms.

I agree with and support TikTok being banned as I believe it’s a detriment to society, and the sole reason why I’m okay with the government doing it is because they refuse to sell the company to some shell US one which would be more privy to our government’s oversight. If ByteDance were in it for the money, selling to a US shell company and trying to get as much money back to China as possible from the #1 social media app in the world would be THE priority. They flatly refuse to sell, so it’s not about the money, and that’s suspicious to me.

I don’t use it because I learned about it from my boss’s middle school girls soon after it was released when that was the main demographic so I still feel super weird about adults using it.

That said banning a social media platform at the federal level is a super authoritarian move and is rather unprecedented. Federal book banning will be next (oh no a chinese author!).

For me personally: I really enjoy tiktok. My feed is curated enough over time that I only see stuff I'm genuinely interested in, comedy, science, tech, fitness and ofcourse skimpy dancing ladies. I do not suffer from the so called propaganda on it.

I agree that tiktok melts brains of teenagers, but so does Instagram reels, facebook and YouTube shorts. So that isn't a tiktok issue in itself anymore.