Not American. Ukraine will fall. Taiwan will fall. Climate change will win. Everyone is fucked
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What went wrong: the dnc. Running first biden, then harris. The two representative of a historically disliked administration. Not strictly their (harris/bidens) fault minus a few critical bits.
- you cant run a left wing campaign by swinging to the right
- you cant run a left wing campaign with no policies for the working class. No taxes on tips? Wtf is that? We already dont pay taxes on tips. 50k to start your own business? how many Americans do that? Fucking seriously? How about: minimum pto, minimum sick leave? Health care reform. How about taking fucking companies and china to task? She wouldnt even commit to keeping khan.
- you can't run a campaign with a corporate carpet bagger and expect results.
- you cant run a campaign on abortion alone. Im sorry ladies, I fully support you in this but many others including women dont. when many states already protect you its not a deciding factor for harris. Congressional positions yes. But not presidential.
Harris expected people to fall in line with no incentives, because..... Trump. And went out of her way to disenfranchise a minority group. Shrug hopefully the counting continues and Harris' manages to surprise us.
Damn worked for the Aladin trailer vs movie. /s
Looking at the votes less people voted blue this year. Biden had 20mil more votes. Where dafuq these people go?
Mmm indeed. Would it be because harris offered them literally nothing in policies? And spent her campaign attacking students? Not directly mind you. Lets hope elections still matter in 4 years. Sigh i need to decide how im going to spend my time dealing with this.
Excuse me I'm speaking
Good lord lady. Next time listen. Well im looking forward to the punching left thats going to be coming. Or will we blame black men? Latino men? Oh well anyone but the candidate i guess.
Yup rather not show up and let dude with volatile polices come in and do his thing. That's the crazy part is these people didn't even vote third party in protest. They just didn't care. So I guess climate change, trans and abortion right don't matter to 20 million dem voters.
Harris' campaign didnt offer them anything worth voting for. And many states already have portections on the books for abortion and those that dont have ballot measures that are likely going to pass. Oops!
Democrats wouldn't even hear a simple call to have Harris stop mass murdering and you thought people would show up for her because of issues that dont impact them? A call that would have likely handed them at least Wisconsin.
Sure states have it but this should be protected and it was. Now having a miscarriage may have murder charges.
What's he gonna take away next? Well that's a non issue for 20 million people apparently. I know Harris was not going to take anything away.
Florida didn't pass. Missouri did. I don't know others. So don't be pregnant in Florida I guess.
Yes, and did Florida have any chance of going blue? No? Oh maybe harris shouldn't have placed her bets on abortion putting her on top.
Did Michigan go blue? No? Oh maybe we shouldn't have been allowing harris to shit on the arab community.
Did Pennsylvania go blue? No? Oh maybe harris should have had a concrete policy positions like breaking up monopolies and passing laws on corporate greed.
If you look at Harris platform everything is pro corporate policy and none of it is for working Americans then add in bleeding arab support etc. oi. It adds up to a death from 1000 cuts.
100% agree with top 3 points and even the corpo crap the dems are. And I will always say f the dems but NEVER before the GOP.
The amount of damage from denying climate change is not even comparable to any bad policy that could be mention about Harris. There is literally no more snow on Mt.Fuji ! Better to have someone that may fix something here and there than someone that will actively destroy it.
No one said you needed to support gop over trump. Or that it was even a good option of you were contemplating it. It was always 'harris is blowing this'.
You were never going to convince people to show up for her just because trump bad. Just because you made that decision doesnt mean other people will.
But her behavior along with many supporting her telling people they're russian bots, to sit down and shut up, vote for lesser evil, etc. lets them tune out and just focus on things that bring them joy.... Funny that. To bad harris failed to do that.
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It turns out the talking point of "voting 3rd party is a vote for Trump" that has been repeated for months does have the desired effect of disenfranchisement, the assumption that they would then vote Democrat is something I never understood.
Turns out 15 million people didn't even vote third party. Just stayed home.
All that back and forth was just to keep the GOP out of power and not have a so called dictator day 1. Not sure how that specifically disenfranchised potential dem voters. Cause they weren't going to vote dem anyways. I could list other stuff that certainly could have.
And to add, they could have voted and just not picked a president.
Instead they didn't vote at all and we got a Republican Senate.
I'm broken. I'm so tired of it and now I fear it's really all over. It's not 4 years, it's a revelation. We really are full of irredeemable hateful idiots. I'm not ok. I fear for our queer brothers and sisters. I fear for our families and neighbors. For our future livelihoods.
I'm afraid we're not all gonna make it out of this.
I don't know if this is the tipping point. But it feels like a mountain has fallen, in my heart. I want to crawl away. When I was just getting myself together. These next four years will be hell on earth for me. I'm going back on my meds
I think it’s pretty clear that the people who wanted Trump never really changed or decreased much, and that now they’re calling the shots.
I don’t think there’s any value in going much deeper than that. They seem to have done it fair and square. There just weren’t as many people who supported Harris.
Not that many of their reasons are genuine, of course. The economy? Please. He’s awful for that, he swore he’d make things worse. We know what that looks like.
But they’re the majority this time. It’s almost a Reagan level victory. It’s exactly what he always wanted. And part of our system is this: if you get the votes then you’re allowed to dismantle things. Because you convinced enough of us to go along with it.
I’m not sure what the next steps are, really. It won’t be pretty. But blame doesn’t seem appropriate, and neither does any effort to “do the work” and learn to try harder next time. The system will not be the same and the tactics we’re familiar with are no longer relevant. Change is here and it’s the bad kind.
So what we need to figure out is how to adapt to whatever that change ushers in. We’ll have to acquire new ideals that fit within the new constraints and we’ll need to do what we can in the service of those, and we’ll have to accept the diminished nature of some of our ambitions.
What are our new values? What does it mean to throw away so much that we’ve made? Who are we going to become? Who will we be able to keep at our side? Who will we lose? Who will we betray?
We’ll find out.
I've hated this entire election year because the MAGAs are riled up and I've been getting harassment for masking, being vaxxed, and (apparently) looking queer.
(I am queer, but I went back to presenting as a cishet woman ages ago. I don't know what their deal is)
Yesterday a guy came into work with a confederate flag tattooed across his scalp. They might as well scream everywhere they go that they support slavery.
I'd love to get on T while it's still legal but the only gender clinic nearby got set on fire.
I think it's only going to get worse now that they're emboldened. Their hatred has once again been rewarded.
As a non American, the only hope for the world is to let you guys sink and for the US to implode. EU should have realized that 8 years ago and plan accordingly to reduce dependencies but did not.
I can't even fathom the fascism wave we're going to get everywhere...
Why did we have to choose the dystopian future ?
Money money money! 🙏.
I'm fucked man. I'm disabled and can't work, I just got disability benefits approved. I've known since 2016 that no "progressive" country will accept a disabled immigrant as a citizen even if they can work. I checked again today and nothing has changed. I stumbled on a reddit thread chastising an OP with autism (plus children with disabilities) for being in a similar position as me and bemoaning it, because why would a country accept a disabled person who doesn't benefit them after all, fuck disabled people reddit says. I can't even use my back pay to move countries since no one wants me. I wanted to either invest my back pay or use it to move countries if shit hit the fan, which is so out of reach now. Both of my parents are from Puerto Rico so there is no ancestral place I can run to. I never completed college because of my disability which appeared when I was a teenager and gets worse every year. My (not married and able-bodied) partner's ancestry is China and I told them they should move countries without me to get away but they want to stay with me even if it means being in this hellhole. I want to have a child when I am ready, but I am scared of a national ban on abortion which would endanger me if I was pregnant. My future feels over. So yeah, my depression and anxiety are in overdrive. Feeling desperate.
My state voted Kamala, they always vote for the conservative democrat and are worth very little electoral votes, insignificant really. I consistently voted Bernie, begrudgingly democrat, and this time around for PSL. My vote doesn't matter, I know that because of the way the electoral college is setup. Every local progressive I voted for lost to a conservative democrat. This time around there were no progressives on the ballot that I could root for, only democrats I have zero faith in that I voted for anyway. Most of the people around me do not vote because they they think it does not matter and everything is rigged. I mean it doesn't really matter I guess since Kamala won my state anyway and lost but fuck man. Shit is looking really bleak for me. I wish Bernie or De la Cruz won but that is just a pipe dream I guess. Kamala never inspired me, she wasn't really a progressive leftist and I did not think she would fix the country. Only maintain the status quo. I can only hope for a revolution now.
MLK Jr was a radical with socialist ideas. There's so many quotes to choose from during his later years but this seems most apt for me for now:
“If America does not use her vast resources of wealth to end poverty and make it possible for all of God’s children to have the basic necessities of life, she too will go to hell.”
I feel like the not-right will just take it. Just accept things. Go into the concentration camp. Let the government be dismantled. Let laws be ignored.
The right wing is full of bad ideas and hate but they organize and sometimes riot.
Everyone else seems too busy infighting and being smug.
I just keep asking myself, "What are you supposed to do when your country falls into fascism?"
But even more so, I'm heartbroken for my distant relatives and everyone else in Ukraine.
Please, Europe--don't let them fall.
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Feeling like Kassandra. All the data showed that this was a possible scenario but both far-leftists and libs thought it was over-reacting.
Huh? Leftists were telling everyone harris campaign was trash... Stop with this nonsense.
We'll be here helping manage the shit show thats going to follow.
But you also didn’t offer a constructive alternative to a Trump presidency.
I know you’re all on your anti-genocide high horse by abstaining from the vote, but the silence from the far left has allowed the exact same genocide to continue in Gaza, along with the potential genocide of minority groups in your own country.
So, bravo. As a leftist myself, I hope you feel the brunt of this presidency more than those who tried to fight it.
My state went for harris as i said it would. Ive said repeatedly harris' campaign was horrible due to its lack of populist labor policies etc. but yes, the genocide and complete shutdown of student protestors was a massive issue.
I didnt bury my head in the sand. Now what are you going to be doing these next 4 years to fix this? I know what ill be doing.
There was no constructive alternative to offer. Trying to brow beat people to harris wouldn't work and the dunces for harris wouldn't hear anything. Not even an ask to stop a fucking genocide. Get it now? People wouldn't even hear a simple call to stop fucking mass murdering people. Never mind anything more nuanced.
Nah. Plenty of anti-electoralists/accelerationists were happy to spread propaganda to help Trump. Now, as a far-leftist that doesn't buy that tripe, I'm gonna have to try to help people whose lives are now in far greater danger while they get off on their "moral superiority". Those people and Stein supporters can go fuck themselves while the grown-ups try to save people from the intended death camps.
EDIT: I didn't mean "regular" leftists like progressives and anarchists.
laugh go look at the numbers stein did jack shit. Keep burying your head in the sand.
Pennsylvania:
You refused to hear a call to stop a genocide you think you would have down anything remotely useful to shift harris on things like labor rights, healthcare, non competes, and monopoly busting ala khan?
Your problem was turnout. And you wouldnt even hear the call to save Wisconsin for harris. Probably the only state where 3rd party candidates did matter.
Your problem was turnout.
Turnout always is the problem. The anti-Harris propaganda was intended to discourage voters, and it worked. Congrats.
And you wouldnt even hear the call to save Wisconsin for harris. Probably the only state where 3rd party candidates did matter.
No "you" here. I'm a pragmatic voter and anarchist who in the course of a day has gone to an extremely high chance of losing loved ones through state-sponsored murder, political violence, and suicide. So, you'll excuse me if I don't give a fuck about the pretend "moral high-ground" of those claiming to care about genocide while putting their fingers on the scale for "turbo genocide", greater inaccessibility to health care, more monopolies, and more union busting.
100%. Now we have a president who historically hasn't paid small businesses because they can't afford to fight it, promoting actual hate crimes, and all too happy to appoint more Christian Conservatives who loathe, and I mean fucking despise queer people.
People didn't even need to vote for the President to prevent a Republican Senate, but no.
I've already seen suicide posts (with confirmed bodies) in my local groups and there's people here commenting that America needs to kill itself and nothing of value will be lost.
I'm at my wits end with it all. I understand not wanting to vote for Harris, I'm from Oakland. I don't understand not caring that Republicans control Senate, Supreme Court, and presidency. I do not understand not caring that these are politicians who have actively called for violence. I do not understand being amenable to "cleaning up the mess Democrats left us", when we had the power to fix this by voting, and it just wasn't worth it to 20 million, fucking 120 million people.
"But Harris Bad because she's a billionaires president anyway" meanwhile 2016 regulations decimated against corporations who pollute, tax cuts beyond belief and Covid skyrocketing billionaires wealth.
"But Harris genocide" meanwhile Donald "finish the job" Trump's previous administration assassinating starting the whole genocide in the first place
"But Harris no policies" meanwhile Trump campaigning on deporting political protestors supporting Gaza along with minorities regardless of citizenship
"but the DNC needs to learn its lesson". Well, the lesson will be learned from the individuals who have already killed themselves, the individuals who will suffer at the state level without any federal protections, our generations will suffer from education policies out into place from people like Betsy DeVoss, the sister to Blackwater's Erik Prince, and we will be lucky if Americans aren't ripped from their homes for being someone the conservatives don't like.
No one can blame the Harris Campaign for not voting in the local elections, because your ballot is more than just your presidential vote. The sad fact of the matter is that even if every single Democratic vote was a third party instead, the results would be the same. Because people. Didn't. Vote.
feeling like Cassandra for having correctly predicted a 50/50 call where everybody knew it could go both ways
No. Because nearly everyone around refused to take the possibility of a fascist win seriously and they still refuse to take the impending consequences seriously. People are still talking about "whether the Dems will learn anything and have a good candidate next election" as though the fascists haven't literally said that they are going to end democracy and commit genocide.
I'm tired, boss.
I'm tired too, friend. I was staunchly in it to keep things going awhile longer while everyone was getting their shit together, but the war is lost now, and honestly? I don't really plan on making it out alive.
Too many morons lived through the dark times of his first term, saw the horrible things he did and said, saw how unfit he was for any office position at all, among many many MANY other matters that would prevent a normal person from running, and still chose to vote for him. By a majority this time, no less. I.. think I'm done.
Do remember that it was the majority of those who voted, not the majority of the populace. Right-wing politics have been in the minority and declining for some time but holding on through cheating the electoral system and making the House of Representatives not proportional as it was intended.
Try to help your fellow people, as you can, even if it's telling shitty jokes. I try to take some comfort in the fact that authoritarian governments are unsustainable and always fall eventually. Whether we make it through alive or not, we can try to make things better for those who come after us.
everyone around refused to take the possibility of a fascist win seriously
I don't who's "everyone around you" but on the internet the possibility of a fascist win was taken very seriously and was kind of the only conversation subjects in the last couple months.
I'm unhappy.
The heartbreak is such that today I feel like I want to give up on the entire concept of caring for others as a futile pursuit. Humanity’s darkest impulses are going to be off-leash here, and elsewhere, for at least four years, the chances of avoiding rapid catastrophic climate change have gone from maybe 20% to 0%, and it feels like nothing matters.
Trying to focus on caring just for myself and my family, but the flame has seemingly gone out.
I feel like we might need to radicalize, in a sense, if you know what I mean.
but of course it won't happen. because we're not like them, and we can't do that
My kid got sick and was puking. I jumped at the chance to take some PTO to take a day off. It was a welcome distraction. I fell asleep on the couch holding her while she watched kids shows. That's about all I could bring myself to do. I don't have much left in me anymore. Just gotta take care of the kids and be ready to leave the country.
I'm going to use my white, middle class straight-passing privilege to get the fuck out of here is what I'm going to do.
What went wrong?
Humanity evolving consciousness.
Not American. Sorry for you guys
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