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Mine is retail work. Yeah I get it. You hate it. There isn't anything that I hadn't heard before about it by now that hasn't already been said. Yup, people suck.

But on the same token, I don't really appreciate the level people go to, to dissuade people from getting into retail work. Job is a job and income is income. You'll need both of these things. I've learned that a lot of the time, people just happen to be employed by shitty stores that are managed by power-tripping people or maybe the team they work with are annoyingly incompetent.

Yet if you manage to find a store that's worth working in, it's worth it for however long you want to be there for. I chose to work for retail. I don't mind the labor. I don't want a sit-down desk job.

And yeah I work for a big company that has questionable values and has destroyed communities. But that's really out of my control and because that I work for said company, does not necessarily mean that I agree with it or side with the corporate standards. If I wanted to, I'd go back to school and find something else to do.

And that's what I advise people to do if they're so tired of their retail job. Go back to school, it's really all you can do other than go to trade school to get skills and branch into different careers. Just removed about it all day is not going to do a thing. I used to be like that but all it does was just make me hate everything and there were a couple points where I could've gotten fired over it. It's not worth getting fired over something you don't really have an investment in.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I oppose violence. There are some people who cause so much harm that I wish they'd die. I don't wish for violence to occur, but I wouldn't be sad if it happened and I had nothing to do with it.

[–] Didros 3 points 2 months ago

The systems allow people to do harm, we need to violently oppose them.

Jeff Bezo may suck as a person, but capitalism is designed to make people like him as the ruling class. If you don't like it, fight it.

[–] Zorg@lemmings.world 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Death penalty

On one hand, I don't believe capital punishment has any place in civilized society.
On the other, there are some in-human people (serial killers mainly, but including e.g. CEOs who have caused thousands of deaths to increase profits), where it just seems a waste of everyone's time, to lock them away in a cell for decades. Some people are just completely beyond rehabilitation, and if they are proven guilty with 99.9+% certainty, what's the point of locking then up and waiting for old age to do the job?

[–] saigot@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It is significantly cheaper to keep someone in prison for life than the death sentence process.

[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Do you have a source for that? I'm genuinely curious. Because I thought about that a lot too and I would have assumed that it costs way more to keep someone alive, fed, and supervised for 50 years vs. a death penalty.

[–] saigot@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Here is amnesty international

It basically comes down to trials being far more expensive , the required solitary confinement being more expensive, more appeals. Lawyers cost much more than prison meals.

[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 1 points 2 months ago

Thanks! Yea that's super important information and this changes my opinion on that because I was thinking about cost.

[–] SteleTrovilo 6 points 3 months ago

I like life imprisonment for heinous people specifically because it seems like the less merciful option. Look at how many mass shooters and terrorists also take their own lives during the act - suicide is one of their objectives. If we can capture them alive and make them live in a small room, eating unexciting food and sleeping on thin mattresses for decades still to come - that's the ultimate rebuke to their ideologies of death. Execution, on the other hand, is giving them what they seek.

[–] Baggie@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 months ago

Advertisements.

Like obviously we need to make people know things exist, it makes financial and logical sense, etc.

On the other hand, this is bullshit. It's an ever increasing blight on the senses in both online and offline spaces. It's at the point where massive companies cannot function without plastering ads over everything. Fuck that. If we can't function without some garish assault of a cacophony to our psyche every few minutes, maybe we need to rethink what we're doing with our existence.

[–] bruhsoulz@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago

Theres no such thing as "too much privacy" but at same time too much privacy can make it near impossible to catch pedos and shit like that :/

[–] HatchetHaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Gun control in the US.

Gun control would normally work in any other country, but guns are so ingrained in American culture and history that it is infeasible to simply just implement gun control and expect everything to work.

Couple that gun culture with a whole lot of systemic issues (capitalism, remnants of racist laws, wealth inequality, healthcare, police brutality, education system, firearms safety) and you get the gun violence rampant across the US.

Gun control won't work on its own. If you want to get rid of guns, you gotta fix everything at the same time, which won't happen because half the country would vote against progress and their own interests in the name of "owning the libs".

[–] Didros 1 points 2 months ago

Australia already showed us that it isn't even that hard. And it was incredibly effective. It's just that the largest gun manufacturers can spend over 100% of their profits on paying politicians and talking heads to keep things this way.

Australia is a great parallel for your arguments. The same "we had to concur the wilderness" history and all. I believe they have not had a mass shooting since 2008 when they passed their gun control.

[–] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

Maybe we should encourage people to keep their guns as police get more and more militerized

[–] S13Ni@lemmy.studio 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Equally related to work, I'm someone who has been quiet quitting for a while, and generally have rather "Graeberistic" view about work.

But I simultaneously want to be very competent at what I do, and get easily annoyed by incompetence. I slack of as much as I can if my employer treats me badly, but when I actually do something I want to do it well.

My line of work is IT / Audio, but in a job which I hopefully quit really soon for new one.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You make plenty of sense here. It's all about intrinsic vs. extrinsic motivation right?

For some reason whenever I tried to excel and take pride in my work or invent small improvements to things, I was either rewarded with nothing but higher expectations without higher compensation, or more often, I was just shut down entirely and told to shut up and get back to grinding.

None of that romanticized "I like your style, kid howabout a raise?" hollywood crap happened to me!

I think people more often than not want to do well, they want to be good at something, get better at it, take pride in their work. Being a complete layabout is exhausting!

But just like you, I got to the point of saving my passion for my own projects, and just doing what's most visible in the job description to not get fired, because I got real tired of being actively punished for making an effort.

[–] S13Ni@lemmy.studio 3 points 2 months ago

Yeah I have been shut down so often it has made me apathetic towards my job, as usually within few months we have a problem because we didn't do what I told to do.

Even without intrinsic motivation, I think in certain tasks it's unethical to be careless.

I used to work in kitchens. Hated it. But still be extra careful with allergies and special diets and hygiene, because not doing so might affect people negatively, people who don't have anything to do with why I hate my job.

It can be same in more abstract ways in somewhere like IT or audio, like taking care of cyber security.

But when that doesn't apply, slack off as hard as I can.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Unions.

Generally I'm in favour of them. Workers need to have a voice in how the companies they work for are run. It's far too easy for management to screw people over otherwise.

However, sometimes companies need to take drastic action that could have a high impact on workers. Unions can stand in the way of such change because "They are protecting their members", but undermining modernisation or causing wages to be higher than necessary can destroy a company.

At that point everybody has lost.

[–] Didros 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But you live in a world where there are few union jobs, and the middle class has all but evaporated. We can't afford to buy things because we don't make enough money, so companies stopped making products for us. Brands no longer compete to create the best value for the customer, but to make the most short-term profit they can.

While unions may not be the best solution, it is clear the working class having a voice is a feature, not a bug.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 points 2 months ago

But you live in a world where there are few union jobs

I live in a country where ΒΌ to β…• of all workers are in a union, anybody can join a union and the current party in power receives major funding from the unions.

Maybe that gives me a different perspective.

[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

Cycling on the road.

On the one hand, biking is great and they should be able to bike on any road! And we should be careful when driving near them, it's super scary being so unprotected and so close to metal speed bombs hurling around them.

On the other hand, road bikers are fucking annoying, stay in your goddamn lane and stop slowing down traffic. I'm not reading your dumb hand signals, either!