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Being anti pasteurization is the one that really gets me. Like it's just heating up the milk slightly for a brief period of time. It's really simple and not scary science that's easily misunderstood. Like what about heating up milk is dangerous?
The only thing I've been able to come up with is that it's a conspiracy theory of manufactured panic to send people down the right wing pipeline.
There's a whole subset of idiots that believe that you need to expose yourself to harmful shit to have a strong immune system. (See: all the people licking toilets and crap during lockdown)
There's some credible science to it, in the way that, an immunization is literally putting "harmful" stuff in you to train your immune system. This is known science that I should be able to mostly hand wave around since most people already know this. Immunizations are usually focusing on a key indicator, eg, for COVID, it's the protein on the outside of the vital cell wall (all the spiky bits in the illustrations) or whatever.... I'm no scientist. For other viruses and bacteria, it's a deactivated version of the virus... It's essentially "dead" for all intents and purposes. It just resembles the virus so closely that it effectively trains your immune system to recognize it.
With all that being said, not all bacteria and viruses are something we can develop a natural immunity to, partly because some of them just kill us, partly because there's something that is preventing it. Again I'm not a scientist.
Regardless, these idiots think that by exposing yourself to "natural" viruses and bacteria, you can strengthen your immune system. Bluntly, it's possible to do that, and why the fuck would you want to do it that way? It's literally a randomized version of a science we already have that's tried, tested, and proven effective, called immunizations. With immunizations, you get all the benefits of surviving the horrors of some of the most nasty viruses and bacteria out there, without suffering through what those viruses and bacteria are going to do to you.
The whole thing is stupid.
If anyone argues about "good" bacteria, tell them to eat yogurt. FFS.
If we just go with it and give them some cyanide, arsenic, and a rod of spent uranium to boost their immunity, it would be a self solving problem.
Eating a uranium rod would give them plenty of calories to last the rest of their life.
Say that to Styrian arsenic eaters. Cyanide and uranium though are fair. Though there was an “energy drink” with thorium once.
And there’s also the practice of mithridatism, but at least there is some evidence to support some of its instances.
Many, but not all, of the anti -pasteurization people believe that there is an invisible "life force" in the milk that is killed by processing. This is an old idea, but this unfalsifiable and unprovable "life force" thinking undergirds a lot of pseudoscience. People believe in getting energy aligned and unblocked and so on, and believe that drinking milk with mysterious life force is more natural.
I don't think it's the heating up from milk that gets these people. It's the mandate that it must be done.
Same with masks. They want the FrEeDoM to do whatever the fuck they want, even if it hurts someone else.
Natural selection is also "going natural"
Walk into any old graveyard and notice all the tiny little tombstones of children who died before the age of two. Before vaccines were in use.
Now notice how almost NONE of those tombstones are recent.
Obviously they aren't recent, it's an old graveyard.
You know why nobody living in a town gets buried in its cemetery? Because they are living.
Look up an old newspaper from say 100-120 years ago and check out the obituaries.
SEWARD, Mark – Died at Gooseberry Cove, Trinity Bay, on the 2nd inst. [January 1891], Mark, youngest child of Thomas and Rosanna Seward, aged 4 years.
SEWARD, Peter – Died on the 10th inst., Peter, second youngest son of Robert and Mary A. Seward, aged 2 years.
SEWARD – Died on the 14th inst., infant child of James and Mary A. Seward.
SEWARD, Richard – Died on the 15th inst., Richard, youngest son of Joseph and Louisa Seward, aged 4 years.
SEWARD, James – Died on the 19th inst., James, second youngest child of James and Mary A. Seward, aged 2 years (Evening Telegram, January 29, 1891)
Where's that tweet where an anti-vaxxer used the bubonic plague as an example of a disease that went away on its own.
my grandad used to buy fresh milk from a farmer around the corner - until he got salmonella from it and almost died
If you want to be all natural, get off the internet.
Stop eating modern vegetables and fruits.
Return to monke.
Just in case - I did not mean you, just the people who spew such shit.
Like my mother. Jesus, I had to explain a lot to her for her to stop saying that stuff near me.
No modern grains: find the original wild versions of wheat, corn, and rice and only process and eat those.
"Going natural" is a shitty euphemism for anti-vax. Call it what it is.
Right, like uhh you know the average life span for a healthy male used to be 25 years right? Did you think that was for no reason? Smfh.
Did you think 90 years passed and suddenly the life span tripled?
The idiocy
Edit: to make sure some of the responses aren't misunderstanding my point - medicine.
Scientific advances. Technology, research, people knowing how to literally wash their fucking hands added years to the lifespan.
And yes it has tripled in some cases. 18th century France the life expectancy was twenty four years old.
This increase to what we see today is LARGELY due to medical care and sanitation alone.
It's all over the board back then, in fact, because of sanitation. Diseases would.come and go and life expentencies would sink like a tanker because sanitation was non existent.
So yes I exaggerated the time span, obviously, but I wasn't kidding about the tripling part - if a bit vaguely.
25, that is quite a historical extreme, isn't it?
In the wild, average live span was around 40 to 50 years. There's even studies about the evolutional reasons why we live longer than other primates/why we are the only hominide with grandparents.
Sure, it is an extreme. As in my edit I stated: this is due to sanitation. It is all over the board throughout the 15th-18th century world because pandemics/diseases/epidemics came and went and sanitation was so low and medicine was so bad that people dropped like flies, and thus did the life expentency average.
In particular, my "25 year l.e." example was about 18th century France.
Those make sense to me, but I'll be honest with you, where I struggle is with the idea of sunscreen. How did our ancestors live outside constantly without any sunscreen but if I'm outside for more than 2 hours in the summer without it I come home looking like a burnt lobster?
I'm sure the answer is that I'm ignorant, or the "natural causes" of yesteryear were really just undiagnosed skin cancer or something, but I have to admit it does seem like a real negative adaptation here from the viewpoint of my uneducated mind.
That's a great question! We didn't really need sunscreen in prehistoric time because we adapted to the environments that we lived in and we didn't migrate to new environments as quickly as we could in later times. Those adaptations are getting more tan more easily and growing thicker skin. We can still see this now in people who don't use sunscreen and their skin looks tougher and more leathery. Also, there were some ancient sunscreens ranging from simple mud to pastes made from ground plants.
People have been making clothing for ~5 million years or so.
Well there is that protective layer in the atmosphere that we fucked up.
The ozone layer is slowly healing itself, but we still have a long way to go before it is stable again.
Also as others pointed out, we don't work the fields and spend most of our time outside any more....so the natural protection isn't building up like it did in the past.
Have you ever seen an Australian rancher? They look like boiled lobsters
When you get old and spend a lot of time outdoors, you look like a dried up prune. Regardless of skin color, typically
Well that's just lying be omission. Lots of people were disabled or disfigured too.
Still better than getting the vaccines that cause you to eat the Bill Gates Fake Peach Tree dish meat.
Edit: This was intended to be a joke. https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2022/05/30/did-marjorie-taylor-greene-say-peach-tree-dish-instead-of-petri-dish/
Dying? Better than eating fake meat?
Damn the propaganda got you good.
I’m 99% sure possiblylinux was being sarcastic
I'm dead serious. Just look at these experiments by real doctors:
When Dr. Fauci was asked about this image he didn't have an answer
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I mean, they all died. Just as we will all die.
