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[–] TJDetweiler@lemmy.ca 66 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

For the first 2 points: Don't use "Western democracies". This is a US problem. Canada has much stronger labour and home protections.

3rd point: Getting banned online is a "you" problem. Your government has nothing to do with why your shitty opinions get you banned or muted. The fact that you even have the ability to complain about your government online is a luxury many other governments don't afford to their people.

4th point: Whining about cereal variety makes the entire argument hold less water. Who the fuck cares about brands of cereal. Buy your cereal or don't, but shut the fuck up about it. This is an empty complaint about capitalism.

5th point: Fair enough.

I don't directly mean you, OP. Unless you made the meme... In which case I do mean directly you.

[–] halvar@lemm.ee 29 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think cereal is brought in to demonstrate the absurdity of the situation, where something so basic as worker's or renter's rights are non-existent but somehow energy already has went into something so stupid as cereal, which indeed nobody cares about.

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's more about how one of the big reasons America is supposed to be great is all the options you have. 40 brands of cereal is worth it all, is it not?

Not to mention the huge variety of great cheeses, wines, beers and deli meats you should be responsible and not waste your money on.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

They complain about cereals because they've been fed so much CCP and USSR Propoganda that they think food variety is a bad thing. They're not one of us.

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I agree with the fish that what you say is USA only isn't.
Basically where economy (power) is dominated by the few such problems exist.

But I would just like to add that I still cringed when you brought up Canada as the counterpoint to USA. Its not that I disagree with what you wanted to compare, its just that to me those two countries are such an extremely similar shade of late stage systems they seem the same unless in direct comparison.

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[–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 51 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (9 children)

In the US, maybe. But that’s considered a flawed democracy and getting worse all the time. Only 8% of the nations on earth are full democracies, a number that continues to fall because of the pessimism and stupidity promulgated by authoritarian regimes.

[–] salmoura@lemmy.eco.br 40 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Germany on "full democracy" at the same time it bans symbols of Palestinian support and uses the state's violence to contain such manifestations.

[–] Darukhnarn@feddit.org 22 points 2 months ago

Germany bans stuff al the time. It’s a consequence of our history and the historic leniency towards extremist edges. Your example is debatable in it’s execution, the general thought however is not.

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Nobody's perfect, and if you're in Germany you should reach out to your politicians about it.

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[–] i_am_hiding@aussie.zone 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Haha! Australia is a full democracy? What a joke!

Australia is America's bitch. Even if our politicians gave a shit, they couldn't do anything.

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[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 months ago (5 children)

UK is a full democracy? That's a fucking joke, literally all of this applies here. Including no-fault (read: spoke out against landlord or asked for repairs) evictions.

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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh look, it's the Country the Map Maker Likes Index Map

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[–] Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 months ago

Jesus fuck this map is a joke.

[–] Brickardo@feddit.nl 6 points 2 months ago

URUGUAY MENTIONED🇺🇾🇺🇾🇺🇾🇺🇾WHAT THE CRAP IS AN UNSTABLE COUNTRY

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 months ago

This infographic is produced by a capitalist propaganda network, Visual Capitalist, using data from a capitalist think tank, EIU (Economic Intelligence Unit). I would download the report and scrutinize their methodology but it requires you enter a ton of personal information.

[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How the fuck made that chart that put USA on top of Brazil, here the president isn't immune to prison just because he has money

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 months ago

The infographic was produced by a company called Visual Capitalist. Influence of money on the political process doesn't factor into their calculations. Hell, it probably gives the score a boost.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

"Western Countries good, everyone else bad" what a farce.

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

if I speak out online I could be muted or banned

Do you have any idea what social platforms look like when this is not the case?

[–] Takios@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The random board on 4chan is a good indicator for how that would look like (very NSFW and depending on your location illegal content there)

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 5 points 2 months ago

Believe it or not, even 4chan has some standards. The 8 variants, on the other hand...

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 23 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Imagine being unironically anti-democracy and also claiming to be a socialist.

[–] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

Anarchist types prefer consensus-based decision making processes to democracy. We want the entire community to agree on a course of action, not just let 51% order 49% around.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Consensus sounds difficult when you have absolute morons who believe that farming isn't real or boiling water erases it's memory.

[–] Nyssa@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 months ago

The atomization of decision-making allows entrenched interests to disrupt progress. If you've ever been to a city planning meeting, you can see how NIMBY homeowners block transit upgrades or affordable housing. Sometimes consensus is impossible

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 13 points 2 months ago

Wouldn't that just lead to no action being taken and eventually falling to a system of government, likely invaders, who are capable of taking organized actions?

You know, like every power vacuum ever recorded for all of human history?

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Anarchist types and unrealistic idealism, name a more iconic duo

[–] toaster@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 months ago

Consider starting a discussion instead of low-effort, snarky remarks. The latter is just toxic.

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[–] CazzoneArrapante@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago

Not all socialists are Stalin-loving tankies, thankfully.

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 months ago

More like: I am so happy I live in america.

Everywhere else you have job protection and renters protection

[–] Tja@programming.dev 21 points 2 months ago

If you think living in a non "western democracy" allows you to shit talk your boss or the government... I invite you to try.

I hope this won't be banned for wishing death on someone.

[–] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 20 points 2 months ago (9 children)

A lot of these comments reek of boot polish...

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[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 months ago

You live in USA, stop comparing your shit democracy with the rest of us

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 11 points 2 months ago

That’s the least this person deserves for that crime against readability.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 months ago

Yeah there is a point to this, things got measurably worse, but we're also still measurably better than in non western democracies.

Good luck complaining about the government in China, for example. At least here I can complain whilst standing next to a 8th floor window, something you shouldn't try in Russia

[–] protist@mander.xyz 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

What exactly are you telling your boss that's getting you fired? Most supervisors I've ever had would take authentic feedback really well. Are you just unloading emotions at them?

Your lease is based on a contract, your landlord can't evict you for "speaking out" about them unless it says so in your lease, which standard leases do not.

And wtf are you saying online that gets you "muted or banned?" People say all kinds of shit online, wtf are you talking about

Breakfast cereal is ridiculously overpriced and is not food. The only reason you should ever go down that aisle is if you want oatmeal.

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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 8 points 2 months ago

coercive relationships are the root of evil

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

"Western" from european perspective tho. This is what reactionary-only regulation and fear of everything social got you into. No clue how to get you out of this without blood shed.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

There are 3 cereal companies? I thought there were only 2 that owned them all.

[–] dumbass@leminal.space 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Corigan@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago

I love this chart but it so out of date. The big companies have consolidated more and bought even more brands in the last t10yrs

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

I remember when online interactions didn't make me paranoid... But it seems power-tripping banhappy idiots exist everywhere, at least they do on reddit.

Took me awhile to realize Lemmy isn't like that.

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