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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 75 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Some of these are wrong.

Tracing a call is instant. It took longer back in the days when there were physical switches, but that's been a long, long time ago.

Silencers can make a gun nearly as quiet as the movies, in limited cases. Something like a subsonic .22 will be about as lout as a golf clap. A 5.56x45mm rifle will be hearing-safe, but only barely; it's still going to be very loud, and will def. sound like a rifle.

You can shoot some locks off. You're not shooting through the shackle, you're disrupting the locking mechanism that keeps the shackle closed. It's still unsafe; you're going to have ricochet and spall going everywhere.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

To add to this a bit more:

Generally, if you want to shoot a lock (or door frame hinges) off, you use a shotgun with special breaching rounds.

Various forms of these have been and still are used by various Militaries, but more often SWAT or equivalent type units.

The general video gamey / movie portrayal of how this works is usually wildly exaggerated / inaccurate though, usually with pistols at moderate ranges.

Conceivably you might also be able take a door lock/hinges apart with an anti materiel rifle, but this would be wildly impractical.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

If hinges are on the outside, in most cases you can just pull the pins out with pliers. Or a small hammer and a screwdriver to act as a drive punch. That's why most exterior doors swing in (hinges on the inside) rather than out.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 8 points 3 months ago

It's gonna depend on the lock, too. Most locks most people buy are gonna have shit build quality. Some literally so bad that you could just shoot straight through it and not just disrupting the locking mechanism (in the way that some quite a bit stronger locks can be disrupted with, for example, a rubber mallet) but literally destroying it. Others (a minority) might be so strong that a typical gun has no effect at all and the infographic actually gets it right.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Pretty sure chloroform is wrong too.

Chem teacher had some and one kid stupidly took a whiff. She dropped like a sack of potatoes. She woke up in a few seconds but yeah - that shit was instant.

I guess it might take 5 minutes to get enough to be out for a few hours.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago

Here's what I can find that gives a better answer. Above 100ppm, you'll rapidly start feeling dizzy. But chloroform is also highly volatile, so you would need to have a rag soaked in chloroform just before attacking someone, rather than lying in wait for a few minutes to a few hours. Plus, if you get that concentration too high, you can accidentally kill someone.

So if you'd been hiding in someone's car for 10 minutes, that rag might have lost enough efficacy that it would take a few minutes. Alternatively, if the person in the backseat doused the rag just before attacking the driver, it might be nearly instant.

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[–] AdNecrias@lemmy.pt 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Supersonic bullet still makes a crack. When you fire subsonic you can get just the sound of the metal bits hitting each other. Whoever is interested look up what an MP5S with subsonic ammo in a firing range sounds like (the S is important in this search)

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

It's still louder than just the bolt cycling; you're hearing the gas escaping at high speed, but subsonic ammunition through a silencer is definitely significantly quieter than supersonic ammunition. One of the very, very few positive things about .45 AARP is that it's always subsonic, so it's easy to get it very quiet, as long as you have the slide locked so that it doesn't cycle. (IIRC Knights Armament Corp made a .45 for SOF that had a locking slide.) Videos aren't great for hearing what a silenced firearm really sounds like due to the way that most microphones compress sound; they end up sounding very different IRL.

I've been at the range when some other people were testing out a night-fighter rig with .300 AAC and a silencer; it sounded like they were shooting a .22.

I'd love to get a silencer for my Ruger Mk. IV, because that's one that will get very, very quiet with subsonic ammunition. I also want to get a silencer for my AR-15, mostly because that sharply reduces the amount of smoke you have to deal with at night matches.

[–] chaosmarine92@reddthat.com 57 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Shooting two guns at the same time does in fact look cool. That's not a myth. Hitting two targets with two guns at the same time is really hard though.

[–] Infynis@midwest.social 12 points 3 months ago

Also, in most media I've seen, people with two guns still primarily shoot at single targets

[–] Septimaeus@infosec.pub 1 points 3 months ago

I wonder if someone practiced exotropia and multi-focal tracking (or rapid mono-focal switching) if then dual vector shooting could technically be learned.

Regardless if anyone attempts this, please post a video of your face while you do it. For science.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 42 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Defibrillator:

Weeeell, not exactly. A defibrillator is essential to restarting a heart under specific conditions, and greatly improves the odds of survival to discharge. If your patient is already wired up and you see them go into a shockable rhythm, you can go ahead and shock them immediately. Otherwise, you're going to need to do some CPR to prime the heart before you deliver the shock. At that, it's worth noting that not all rhythms are considered shockable (that is, experience a clinical benefit from being shocked), and asystole (flatline) is not among them. Source: am paramedic.

The lock: depends. Notice they said a small bullet. A 12 gauge slug can change a lot of facts about a lock in a hurry. I can't say it would blow a lock clean out, I think the mythbusters tried it with mixed results, but it's sure as shit take care of a padlock.

Aiming at two targets: more of a shitty technicality, but if you're using a shot load in a shotgun, it's perfectly viable to aim at multiple targets (in a target dense environment) at once. Your aim just has to be generally correct.

Tracing a call: bullshit, especially with cell phones. Modern dispatching centers can generally triangulate a 911 caller's position (if they're in range of multiple towers) in under a few minutes, it's a thing. If 911 can do it, you just know the feds can. Also, phone companies and phones keep records of what device pinged what tower and when, people have been convicted off of that data.

[–] FairycorePhoebe@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I would like to add that a suppressor can render certain specialized firearms nearly silent if they are used in conjunction with subsonic ammunition. A suppressor can deaden the sound of the initial explosion, but a supersonic bullet will continue to create a sonic boom as it flies through the air. A subsonic round doesn't create a sonic boom and as a result nearly all of the sound of firing comes from the initial explosion. If that explosion is well sealed and is funneled through the right supressor, nearly silent operation can be achieved. A good example of this is the Welrod used during World War Two, which was quiter than an airsoft gun and was only really audible at point blank range.

TLDR, how quiet a gun gets with a suppressor is determined by the ammunition, the type of firearm, and type of suppressor. Suppressed gunfire can range from as loud or louder than a nail gun to as quiet as a sneeze.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago

Worth noting that while a nail gun is pretty loud (if you've ever been around them without hearing protection), it's still nothing on being near an unsuppressed gunshot. If you've never been up close when even a pistol is shot, it's much louder then you're imagining, and louder still than you've just adjusted your imagination to. Rifles are louder again.

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago

It's worth noting that nearly none of the people you see testing suppressors online use a pistol with a slide that is locked so it doesn't cycle, shooting through a suppressor that has the right type of "lube" applied, with rubber wipes at the very end to let the bullet through then reseal the suppressor for a few shots, before they're completely shot out.

You don't get a lot of silent shots, and you've got to rack the slide yourself for each of them, but they do get quite a bit quieter than the suppressor mythbusters think they do, running their dry, open suppressors in semi auto.

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 3 months ago

Also, phone companies and phones keep records of what device pinged what tower and when, people have been convicted off of that data.

To me this is why that point is especially misleading, the movie trope is that as long as you hang up the phone soon enough they can't find you, but that's obviously not how it works at all.

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

My issue with the two guns thing is that the “myth” they present is that it looks cool. Which is subjective, and for many people it does look cool. You’re unlikely to hit with any accuracy, but you’ll look cool missing.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 4 points 3 months ago

My issue with the two-guns one is that they use stormtroopers as shorthand for being a bad shot. The only time they were "bad shots" was in A New Hope where they were under orders to be bad shots. They were supposed to let the rebels escape on the Falcon, there was a tracking device on it.

[–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 months ago

Dude I was about to say, there's no way they don't have a quicker way to track calls. They just wouldn't tell us for obvious reasons.

[–] awesome_lowlander@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 3 months ago

I'm here to learn how many of these truths are actually just myths of their own!

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 months ago

They used a picture of a guy who canonically has techno-jesus powers for the two guns example. This is like showing a picture of Superman and saying "Actually, people can't leap tall buildings in a single bound"

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

What a dumb, inconsistent list.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago

Yup. One that got me was the one about shooting two guns.

"Aiming at two targets is hardly possible".... It's absolutely possible. You can aim at two things all day long. If you're firing two guns at two targets, having to aim at them isn't really the issue.

The issue is that any aim you have one either target is going to suck. Combined with the difficulty of simply holding a several pound hunk of metal at arm's length, and having it violently shake around every time a round is discharged because you don't have adequate control over it to keep it from shaking every which way.

No sir. Aiming is not the problem. Actually hitting the target is the problem.

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[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 13 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Asteroids in a belt have a large distance between them, but I'd imagine rubble from a planet or moon recently destroyed by the empire would probably be grouped a lot more tightly.

Some grenades can have their pins pulled with teeth, but it's a dumb idea.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 3 months ago

Presumably would actually just reform back into a planet since if you blow up a planet the mass is still there, it has just being fractured. If you leave it a couple of years it'll form back into a planet again.

This is probably what happened with the ice moon of Europa.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 2 points 3 months ago

Some fire extinguishers have pins that can be pulled with your teeth, some don't. Doesn't make it a "myth"...

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The asteroid field in Empire Strikes Back, the one most prominent in pop culture, was not from a recently destroyed planet.

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The one in A New Hope was. What was the origin of the one in Empire?

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

When the Falcon drops out of hyperspace in A New Hope Han says:

"We've come out of hyperspace into a meteor shower, some kind of asteroid collision."

Han didn't consider it to be an asteroid field, it wasn't named as such. It was smaller debris.

The asteroid field in Empire Strikes Back isn't given an origin on-screen, it's just there. It's obviously been there for quite a while, though. It's got native megafauna living in it.

I checked Wookieepedia and there's Legends material that establishes a variety of different explanations for the asteroids, but they're all natural and all happened in the ancient past.

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

I see. Good point.

[–] reddithalation@sopuli.xyz 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

people can easily shatter padlock shackles with ramsets, which are basically little blank round gunpowder powered hammers. not sure if a gun would, but sure seems like it.

also, the asteroid one is probably quite true, but saturns ring are between 10m and 1 km in thickness, so there are exceptions.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 months ago

Saturn's rings aren't an asteroid belt. Just replace the word "asteroid belt" with "ring system" in Star Wars and it make sense again.

[–] EddyNottingham@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

The Slowmo Guys released a video on YouTube recently where they shot a pistol at a padlock not really expecting it to break, but it did, haha! I think it took a few rounds though.

[–] GammaGames 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Pavlov added the grenade one as a loading screen tip after people wanted to be able to do it in VR

[–] Undearius@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

At first I thought you were talking about the physiologist and not the game.

[–] GammaGames 2 points 3 months ago

Haha, the name is a reference to Pavlov’s House

[–] EpeeGnome@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago
  • Shooting two guns at the same time looks cool.
  • Aiming at two targets at the same time is hardly possible.

These are not in any way mutually exclusive and in fact are both true.

[–] AhismaMiasma@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

Like half of these are TV shows. House MD, X Files, Baywatch just at a glance.