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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Just a reminder that Marxist-Lenninists would rather the US fall into despotism than preserve the status quo.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

The US is falling into despotism regardless of the wishes of Marxists, which is why we are seeing increased support for fascism from the far-right as a consequence.

[–] taanegl 16 points 3 months ago

She prosecuted a little under 2000, about 45 went to jail...

Op is either misinformed or lying.

[–] tiredofsametab@kbin.run 14 points 3 months ago

I don't care for Harris. However, since we live in a first-past-the-post two-party mess, I'll continue voting progressively (and for ranked-choice if it ever gets put to a vote) in all my local/primary elections and voting for whichever candidate is running against Trump.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

True, but my red line was genocide. I figure this candidate might be better so I'm gonna roll the dice. 🤷‍♀️

[–] Confidant6198@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You know that she is doing the genocide as well, right?

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The VP is a pretend job, she hasn't really done anything? I will be watching how she responds to Netanyahu's visit, though.

She's snubbing his speech so maybe???

[–] Confidant6198@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It is not a pretend job. She is complicit. And even if it was, which is not, she has been side by side Biden supporting him as he carries out his genocide. Moreover, she is deep in AIPAC’s pocket. The fact that you believe there is any innocent Democrat in power is concerning.

[–] The_Che_Banana 8 points 3 months ago

Dude, she's as complicit as you- (i am assuming) a US Citizen are...moreover if you pay taxes and vote.... shame on yoy baby killer.

[–] InputZero@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Okay all true, but the VP is still a pretend job. Maybe not as much as it was before but the VP doesn't actually have very much power. Unless the president is ~~article 12'd~~ amendment 25'd.

[–] theilleist@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Did you mean the 25th amendment? Article 12 just describes the process for electing the president and VP.

[–] InputZero@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, if she was actually innocent she would have been pushing to have Biden removed from office via the 25th Amendment so that she could take over his job and end the genocide as soon as possible. She's a careerist and would never dare risk her own political career for something like that, so instead she's meekly following along and making small gestures without committing.

But, even a careerist could see the benefits of being the US president that ended support for apartheid and genocide.

Don't get me wrong, my expectations for US politicians are really low. It's not like I'm donating money to her or anything, I'm just going to take a little bit of time to mail in a ballot because she might be less genocidal than Biden or Trump.

She's not standing up against the genocide as Vice, but she literally hasn't actually done anything to advance it either.

And that's my red line - no doing genocide.

[–] averyminya 1 points 3 months ago

She was the first one to call for a ceasefire and asking Israel to give aid to Gazans. She may be complicit but to say that she's done nothing seems inaccurate.

[–] Doom@ttrpg.network 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Hexbears out in full force today trying to pull at any thread they can and most don't even live in this country fuckin YAWNN

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Hexbears out in full force today trying to pull at any thread they can

Are all critics of Liberalism from the left "Hexbears?"

and most don't even live in this country fuckin YAWNN

Any proof?

[–] Doom@ttrpg.network 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

they're usually from .ml too 💅

don't play this game bud nobody on Lemmy is supporting liberalism and shit but hexbear/ml types have stereotypes attributed to them and if you think I'm the one starting them or the only one saying that you're fooling.

maybe ask why these communities have such a bad label slapped on them and why most of us see Chinese/Russian propaganda flowing from these instances

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

don't play this game bud nobody on Lemmy is supporting liberalism and shit but hexbear/ml types have stereotypes attributed to them and if you think I'm the one starting them or the only one saying that you're fooling.

Incorrect, Lemmy.world is extremely liberal and explicitly anti-Marxist, and sh.itjust.works leans conservative.

maybe ask why these communities have such a bad label slapped on them and why most of us see Chinese/Russian propaganda flowing from these instances

They have a "bad label" on the liberal instances like .world and sh.itjust.works, not everywhere. Additionally, you're free to visit Hexbear.net, they are far more active during US daytime hours. Pretending it's just "Chinese/Russian Propaganda" is baseless, like your claim that most Hexbear users aren't from the US.

[–] Doom@ttrpg.network 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Nope I'm actually not because I apparently cannot comment there anymore because one of these hexbear folk made a false claim and i corrected them.

And sure let's pretend they don't have a bad label lol I don't care of your opinion there

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nope I'm actually not because I apparently cannot comment there anymore because one of these hexbear folk made a false claim and i corrected them.

You can browse anonymously. Curious what fact you corrected, but that's not particularly relevant.

And sure let's pretend they don't have a bad label lol I don't care of your opinion there

They have a bad label on the Liberal section of Lemmy, not overall. Simple as. If I'm being honest, I don't much care for the opinions of Liberals and supporters of Liberalism.

[–] Doom@ttrpg.network 1 points 3 months ago
[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

looks like you were actually banned for dm harassment, being misogynistic, ableist and an overall asshole 🤷‍♂️

[–] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Then don't vote and leave it to the rest of us to maintain your ability to post stupid shit online, legitimate though it may be.

[–] taanegl 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Wow, a prosecutor who worked under the "hard on crime" US laws? Say it ain't so!

The laws are dumb. Corporal punishment is dumb. It's a fancy word for state sanctioned murder.

Every year US states executes people who have been put through kangaroo courts with circumstantial evidence.

This is a federal problem that has been part of US politics since the inception of CRT.

Bail and bonds were just ways of preventing Freeman to actually make any money or lives for them selves so they would end up in prison chain gangs.

Hey, here's a great idea. Lift old laws that stifle economic development "in certain areas", create more combined domestic and commercial areas, put money into public housing, and for the love of God

reform the goddamn justice system

Petition Harris even. Organise, FFS!

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I would love to see Trump try his usual attacks on Mark Kelly.

[–] The_Che_Banana 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think the Kelly/Harris ticket is stronger than Harris/Kelly. I have zero doubt that Kelly can beat Trump. I don't know about Harris.

[–] The_Che_Banana 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Harris has 4 years executive experience & Kelly has the Hero status, plus he's the White Male that will make midwest socialites feel all warm & cozy.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Exactly. Harris might be the better president, but Kelly is the more electable of the two. Harris is more popular in the blue states, but those states are going to vote for Kelly all the same. Kelly is more popular in the states that actually matter to the election.

[–] averyminya 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I feel like he would just make stuff up, say insulting things about him, and talk poorly and aggressively about his wife. Kinda like he did to the candidates in 2016 like Ted Cruz and Jeb Bush.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Cadet Bone Spurs insulting a high ranking military officer and astronaut isn't going to sit well with the undecideds, or those "Republicans" who have to hold their noses when they cast a vote.

Anything he says about Giffords is going to backfire spectacularly: she was severely injured; he scratched his ear.

[–] averyminya 1 points 3 months ago

I definitely agree, but logic isn't the strongsuit of many of his voters.

This guy is a way better person, but I can't help but think about how little it mattered when Trump was talking badly about McCain.

[–] Tiltinyall 3 points 3 months ago

Person of Color: Gets presidential nomination

Some rando edgester on the internet: wOuLD SoMebODy ThiNk Of tHe BlAcKs!!

[–] Belgdore@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] averyminya 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The only thing I can think of is the way in which her Back on Track policy functioned. From my understanding, it was created specifically with non-violent (drug) offenders in mind. This could be something as simple as possession with weed.

The Back on Track program, again from my understanding, would effectively have the convicted person admit to their felony, which would then be expunged in part of the program.

Ah, here it is: https://bja.ojp.gov/sites/g/files/xyckuh186/files/Publications/BackonTrackFS.pdf

BOT participants are young adults, ages 18–30, who are facing charges for their first felony offense1 for a low-level drug sale. At charging, prosecuting attorneys refer potential participants to BOT.2 Candidates attend a program orientation and participate in an intensive community service program for a 6-week probationary period. Only defendants who complete 6 weeks of community service and decide to participate are eligible for enrollment. They plead guilty to charges and have their formal sentencing deferred and, after enrolling, start a rigorous, 12–18 month program with goals set by an individualized personal responsibility plan (PRP). The PRP mandates concrete achievements in employment, education, parenting, and child support and requires participants to perform up to 220 hours of community service. In addition, enrollees are closely supervised. They meet three times per week with a BOT case manager and appear in BOT reentry court three times per month, at which a superior court judge and prosecutor track their progress in meeting program requirements and completing the PRP.

To graduate from the program, participants must find employment, enroll in school full time, and comply with all the terms of their PRPs. At graduation, the court dismisses the original case, leaving the graduate with a clean record.3 If an individual still enrolled in the program is charged with a new crime or fails to meet BOT requirements, he or she is removed from BOT, and a judge can immediately impose a jail or prison sentence.

So some feel like it was pointed to force non-felons into a felony status. Which is true, if they didn't complete the program. But, the program also allowed for education in place of prison time. Which I'm sure happened, but I'm not sure if they would be considered in the image above. If anyone is curious, here's some bullet points on her timeline.

  • As San Francisco District Attorney (2004-2011):

  •   Refused to seek the death penalty for a man who killed a police officer
    
    • Created "Back on Track," a program allowing first-time drug offenders to get education instead of prison time
      
  •   Implemented a policy to only charge for a third strike if the felony was serious or violent
    
  • As California Attorney General (2011-2017):

  •   Expanded "Back on Track" program statewide
    
  •  Introduced police racial bias training
    
  •    Made California DOJ the first statewide agency to require body cameras
    
  •   Launched OpenJustice, a platform to track police killings
    
  • Controversies as Attorney General:

  •  Fought to release fewer prisoners despite court orders on overcrowding
    
  •   Argued against releasing some prisoners proven innocent by the Innocence Project
    
  •    Appealed a judge's decision that deemed California's death penalty unconstitutional
    
  •    Defended law enforcement officials accused of misconduct in some cases
    
  •   Resisted some efforts to investigate police shootings
    
  • As U.S. Senator (2017-present):

  •    Consistently supported criminal justice reforms
    
  •    Introduced bail reform legislation
    
  •   Co-sponsored bill to make lynching a federal crime
    
  •   Voted for the First Step Act
    
  •    Supported marijuana legalization efforts
    
  • For her 2020 presidential campaign:

  •    Released a criminal justice reform plan to reduce incarceration and end the death penalty
    
  •   Took responsibility for some controversial decisions made by her office as AG
    
[–] Belgdore@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

Thank you! This was actually informative. I imagine the right wing will spin most of this as being easy on crime.

I was a public defender for over 4 years. From this, I don’t think she’s nearly as bad as the prosecutors I dealt with on a daily basis.