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https://mullvad.net/en/help/install-mullvad-app-linux

Trying to install VPN and these are the instructions Mullvad is giving me. This is ridiculous. There must be a more simple way. I know how to follow the instructions but I have no idea what I'm doing here. Can't I just download a file and install it? I'm on Ubuntu.

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[–] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 133 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

It's less complicated than it looks like. The text is just a poorly written mess, full of options (Fedora vs. Ubuntu, repo vs. no repo, stable vs. beta), and they're explaining how to do this through the terminal alone because the interface that you have might be different from what they expect. And because copy-pasting commands is faster.

Can’t I just download a file and install it? I’m on Ubuntu.

Yes, you can! In fact, the instructions include this option; it's under "Installing the app without the Mullvad repository". It's a bad idea though; then you don't get automatic updates.

A better way to do this is to tell your system "I want software from this repository", so each time that they make a new version of the program, yours get updated.

but I have no idea what I’m doing here.

I'll copy-paste their commands to do so, and explain what each does.

sudo curl -fsSLo /usr/share/keyrings/mullvad-keyring.asc https://repository.mullvad.net/deb/mullvad-keyring.asc
echo "deb [signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/mullvad-keyring.asc arch=$( dpkg --print-architecture )] https://repository.mullvad.net/deb/stable $(lsb_release -cs) main" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mullvad.list
sudo apt update
sudo apt install mullvad-vpn

The first command boils down to "download this keyring from the internet". The keyring is a necessary file to know if you're actually getting your software from Mullvad instead of PoopySoxHaxxor69. If you wanted, you could do it manually, and then move to the /usr/share/keyrings directory, but... it's more work, come on.

The second command tells your system that you want software from repository.mullvad.net. I don't use Ubuntu but there's probably some GUI to do it for you.

The third command boils down to "hey, Ubuntu, update the list of packages for me".

The fourth one installs the software.

[–] Critical_Insight@feddit.uk 25 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Thanks for the explanation. However trying to run the first command gives me sudo: curl: command not found

So I'm stuck right there in the first step lol

[–] NekkoDroid@programming.dev 44 points 1 year ago

I would have guessed that Ubuntu would install it by default since its a very common way to get stuff from the internet (when in the terminal), but apparently not (the other option is wget which is most likely installed, but that uses a different way to get the stuff).

You should be able to install curl with sudo apt install curl

[–] SpicySquid@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

That should be easily solved with: sudo apt install curl

[–] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You have two options: install curl (check @TrickDacy@lemmy.world's comment) or do it manually. Installing curl is the easiest.

If you want to do it the hard way (without the terminal), here's how:

  1. Download the file https://repository.mullvad.net/deb/mullvad-keyring.asc from your web browser.
  2. Open your file browser as administrator. There's probably some link for that in the Menu.
  3. Move the file that you just downloaded to the directory /usr/share/keyrings/
[–] Critical_Insight@feddit.uk 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Really appreciate your replies dude. So many are being a bit of an jerks here, but you (and few other) have been really helpful.

[–] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You're welcome.

I think that people being jerks take for granted how confusing this might be, if you're new; we (people in general) tend to take vocab that we already know for granted, as well as solutions for small problems. ...except that it doesn't work when you're starting out, and we all need to start out somewhere, right.

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[–] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago

curl is a good tool to have in general, you can install it with sudo apt install curl

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[–] governorkeagan@lemdro.id 13 points 1 year ago

I love this community because of responses like this.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hmm... ProtonVPN team solved this in better way. They put the repo configuration stuff into DEB file, so it's just a matter of double clicking it and clicking install on Debian-based and Ubuntu-based (I know Ubuntu is Debian-based) distros and then installing the ProtonVPN client through either GUI or CLI package manager, whichever you wish to use. More newbie-friendly.

Unfortunately, I also just learned they dropped support for Arch Linux :(

We’d love to support the new app for arch Linux but honestly we’re understaffed and don’t have the bandwidth to be supporting the same distros that we did before with the previous client (4 packages before vs 10 packages now). If anyone from the community is willing to make AUR packages for themselves and publish/maintain them we’re totally fine with that, as long as people keep in mind that it would be an unofficial version because we currently don’t support arch Linux with the new v4 app.

Also if anyone’s interested: https://boards.eu.greenhouse.io/proton/jobs/4140067101

[–] 0xtero 9 points 1 year ago

Hmm… ProtonVPN team solved this in better way. They put the repo configuration stuff into DEB file, so it’s just a matter of double clicking it and clicking install

I was wondering how they'd solve signature checking and key installation - and looking at their page they seem to recommend skipping checking package signatures which, to be honest, isn't a super good practice - especially if you're installing privacy software.

Please don’t try to check the GPG signature of this release package (dpkg-sig –verify). Our internal release process is split into several part and the release package is signed with a GPG key, and the repo is signed with another GPG key. So the keys don’t match.

I get it's more userfriendly - and they provide checksums, so not a huge deal, especially since these are not official Debian packages, but the package signing has been around since 2000, so it's pretty well established procedure at this point.

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[–] Ramin_HAL9001@lemmy.ml 99 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So usually people do install Linux software from trusted software repositories. Linux practically invented the idea of the app store a full ten years before the first iPhone came out and popularized the term "app."

The problem with the Mullvad VPN is that their app is not in the trusted software repositories of most Linux distributions. So you are required to go through a few extra steps to first trust the Mullvad software repositories, and then install their VPN app the usual way using apt install or from the software center.

You could just download the ".deb" file and double click on it, but you will have to download and install all software security updates by hand. By going through the extra steps to add Mullvad to your trusted software repository list, you will get software security updates automatically whenever you install all other software updates on your computer.

Most Linux distros don't bother to make it easy for you to add other trusted software repositories because it can be a major security risk if you trust the wrong people. So I suppose it is for the best that the easiest way to install third-party software is to follow the steps you saw on the website.

[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Some .deb packages actually include their repository and they can then be updated via the package manager. An example for this is the Vivaldi .deb.

[–] Adanisi@lemmy.zip 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Download the .deb and double click it. https://mullvad.net/en/download/app/deb/latest

People seem to be making this a more difficult job than it needs to be. Yeah I get we're powerusers but can't we drop that for 2 minutes while giving advice so a new user can actually get a job done quickly? Windows EXEs don't automatically update either. Sure it might not be the best way to do it but it's fast and not confusing. (EDIT: Apparently this specific program actually has it's own auto updater)

Things take time to learn. Throwing all of the existing knowledge of repo management at a new user at once does not work.

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[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The comment section here is a perfect example of why people don't use Linux

[–] jaeme@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This comment here is a prefect example of being unhelpful and inflammatory.

You added nothing to the conversation but instead tried to be "clever" by doing the same tired old "angsty Linux vs. Windows shtick" that's been around for as long as GNU/Linux was a thing.

Other people at least offered an explanation or suggestion.

[–] Scary_le_Poo 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 1 year ago (6 children)

That page lists multiple installation methods, for multiple distros. There simplest one for you is just two steps.

  1. Download .deb installer

  2. Run apt install ~/Downloads/MullvadVPN-*_amd64.deb

It's not that complicated. That's just confusingly written. And caters to a wide range of users.

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[–] ulterno@lemmy.kde.social 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"I have no idea what I’m doing here" <- Happens in the beginning. How about you start by trying to know what exactly you are doing? Let me give you a fasttrack...

  1. The first command you get in the instructions is curl. It is generally used to download stuff from a networked server.

    1.1. To understand the -fsSLo in the command, I strongly advise you to check out the manual of curl using man curl in a terminal.

  2. The second command in the instructions is echo "something" | sudo tee some/file

    2.1 Here you see 3 commands echo , sudo and tee. 2.1.1 Again, you can use man command-name to check the manual pages for these commands 2.2 There is a | symbol over here. It is called the "pipe symbol", which is what you can use to search for it. It is usually difficult to search for the symbol itself and I haven't found a man page for it, but open man bash and look for "Pipelines" and you'll know what it is about. Use Link, Link and Link to help yourself understand this.

  3. The commands in "Install the package" use the apt program. This is a Package Manager. Its job is to read package information that package developers have made and try to not let the system become unusable.

    • e.g. If you have a program called Xorg from 5 years ago, and a program called mesa from 5 years ago and Xorg depends upon mesa to work. Here, if you replace your mesa with a new, recent mesa yourself, there is a good chance Xorg will not work. The Package Manager prevents that from happening.
  4. The gist of what the instructions are making you do is, telling the Package Manager that there is another place from where you want it to look for packages.

To understand man pages better, check out this link.

Don't think too badly of people dissing you in the comments. They are tired and fed up of help vampires. Hopefully, you can try not to become one.

  • Try and build your own process of understanding the commands you see on the internet before entering them into the terminal.
  • The comments telling you to just follow the instructions, are coming from the perspective that you don't have the patience and determination to understand them yourself, which, a lot of people don't. I will leave it upto you to determine which one you decide to be. It is, however, a bad idea to follow instructions on any website, just because it "seems legit". You can't really say you "trust" the site until you have the ability to find out for yourself whether you want to trust it.

Check this out

[–] bigkahuna1986@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago

My favorite part of this thread is everyone just saying copy and paste the commands so it will work. Like we should totally get users into the habit of running random commands off the net as root.

[–] iusearchbtw@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The instructions on that page make it so that every time you run a system update, mullvad automatically updates as well. If you're happy doing the updating yourself, you can download the deb file from here: https://github.com/mullvad/mullvadvpn-app/releases

[–] Critical_Insight@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

That's even more confusing.

I just don't get why on windows and mac I can download the app from their site, install it and it just works but on Linux I have to do everything thru terminal. It's not that I can't get it done but it just seems insane to me that it has to be this difficult.

[–] bizdelnick@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You don't have to do everything through terminal. You can use synaptic for example. What you have to do is to learn new concepts. If you want to do everything like in windows, use windows.

[–] Critical_Insight@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm giving Linux a chance because people here recommended that I do and now you're telling me to use Windows.

You should try Linux because you want to and find it interesting to learn. If you are doing it because other people told you to, you are going to have a bad time.

Linux isn't Windows with different branding. Things work differently, and if you take the time to understand why you'll usually see the logic eventually, even if you may not to agree with it. I think folks are bristling a bit at your implication that things are hard on purpose somehow. Many experienced users find the terminal easier to use and more efficient; it shouldn't shock anyone (including you) that it's going to feel awkward when you don't understand it yet.

Howtos tend to use the terminal because it's likely to work the same for everyone regardless of what other choices they've made with desktop environment, etc.

You can do nearly everything with a GUI if you choose.

[–] bizdelnick@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

I don't recommend using anything new to you unless you are ready to learn it. If you are, welcome aboard!

[–] flx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago

IF you want it to work like windows. It's up to you, people here are giving you the options to choose whichever suits you.

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[–] iusearchbtw@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know about Mac, but on Windows the Mullvad app doesn't auto update. If you want to do it Windows style you can look for deb files (which are like installers) or AppImages (which are like standalone executables).

Most pieces of software give terminal instructions for Linux because different people might use different package manager frontends, but literally every Linux user has a terminal. It might seem daunting at first, but giving users commands to run in their terminal is a lot more simple than trying to walk them through repo management through the GUI, or just telling them to figure it out themselves.

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[–] risencode@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I just don't get why on windows and mac I can download the app from their site, install it and it just works

That's what the instructions are guiding you to do.

If you hate the terminal then maybe Linux simply isn't for you? That's completely okay you know. Use the tool that's right for you.

[–] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago

One reason is that different distributions of linux do things slightly different. Would it be better if there was only one linux os? For some devs of third party software, probably, but diversity and freedom to fork software has been good to linux, and no one could decide what everyone else should use anyway.
So, each distribution takes the available software and package it to fit their distro specifics, and those packages go into their repositories. The benefit of using official repositories is that someone has gone through the trouble of making sure it will work on your system safely. There's accountability and hopefully a bug tracker etc. When you download from a random website you have to trust them instead. Then... you have companies working outside of this model, usually they provide a flatpak or their own third-party repositories. Then you get all these extra steps, but it's not how most distros prefer to handle software.

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[–] 0xtero 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As others have already pointed out, a lot of Linux software is installed from repositories in a standard way, and once you do that, it updates automatically.

However, as you've already discovered, there's more than one way to install Linux software. Repositories are still the most common way, but installing single .deb's (Debian based distributions) or .rpms (RedHat packaging format) is still there and there are more like Snap, Flatpak and Appimage. You can also often just download the source and compile it yourself. It's a very diverse ecosystem, not like the controlled worlds of WIndows and Mac.

In this case you can download the .deb file, and pretty sure you can even install it through the file manager, just like in Windows (I don't use Ubuntu, but I think it will just start GUI installation if you double-click on a .deb file).

But lot of things in Linux are still done through the terminal, like changing configurations and, yes, installing things.

Getting used to it takes a while, especially if you're not used to modern Windows administration through PowerShell.

The important part is trying to figure out what each of the commands do and that the output actually means. Software that supports Linux normally has very clear instructions (like in this case), but it does require willingness to change habits, technical curiosity and some trial and error (patience). It's not quite as polished experience as the commercial OS's. There's still a lot of rough edges for the user.

Good luck on your Linux journey!

[–] hottari@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yes and with good reason. To prevent people like yourself from downloading and running malware.

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[–] limeaide@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

The same MFs on here that rush to tell someone that Linux is easy and intuitive are the same ones that can't keep a small talk conversation for more than 5 mins, a social activity that humans have been doing for thousands of years.

My words might be a little broad, harsh, and even hurtful, but just a reminder that not all of us are good at learning the same things.

We didn't all come out of the womb knowing how to socialize or use Linux, but if we look back far enough, we can all relate to the struggles it takes to learn something new, and how much it sucks when someone treats you like you're stupid just because things sometimes don't click

[–] SmoochyPit 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Asking why something is the way it is makes you more of a “Linux user” than many.

You make a valid criticism; there’s definitely a learning curve to installing software if you choose to do it that way (since it’s not similar to other OSs), and it’s not automatically explained to new users by using the OS.

Here’s the understanding of it I’ve come to, if you’re interested:

Like others have said, the .deb file would be the equivalent of an .exe file on Windows. Like many .exe files, unless they include an auto-updater, they won’t automatically update.

A key difference I would like to point out is that Linux package managers often update and manage parts of the OS in addition to extra software. Windows and macOS both update their OS separately.

“Ubuntu Software Center” is similar to the “Microsoft Store” on Windows and the “App Store” on macOS. Like those, it’s user friendly and provides automatic updates, but it also doesn’t have every app. You can ensure those apps are safe because the company behind the OS verifies them.

“apt-get” is the default package manager for Ubuntu. That is the tool doing the heavy lifting underneath, and what those commands Mullvad gave are for.

Mullvad could have provided a script to download and run that executes those commands for you, but then you wouldn’t know what it’s doing, especially with it needing admin permission. With how security-oriented Mullvad’s brand is, I think that’s one potential reason they explain the steps and have the user do it instead.

[–] bizdelnick@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

the .deb file would be the equivalent of an .exe file on Windows

Not .exe. If you want to find an equivalent, .msi is the closest.

[–] bizdelnick@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, it is. You can achieve the same usung GUI of course, but this would be more difficult to describe because there are multiple GUIs and they change with new distro versions.

This is more convenient than "downloading and intalling" a file because you don't have to track updates manually, the package manager will do this for you. You have to read something about what package manager is and how does it work. It is the main concept of all linux distros except LFS.

[–] bizdelnick@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This wiki article contains the information you need. It can seem too long, but I highly recommend to read it.

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While lvxferre's instructions are the ideal, there's a simpler option

Download the mullvad.deb file.

Doubleclick on it from your file manager and it should automatically instsll

Every time you start mullvad it will check if the version is current and prompt you (with a link to click on) to upgrade if it's not.

Note that works on mint, should work on ubuntu unless they've disabled dpkg

[–] skillful_garbage 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Download the .deb from their downloads page and run it, just like you would either a .exe on Windows. Their instructions list that as an option further down on the page. Should be higher up imo

[–] library_napper@monyet.cc 5 points 1 year ago

They probably lowered it became mullvad is a security company and downlaoing .deb files from the Internet ia a vector for attack

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 8 points 1 year ago

Chance that your Ubuntu version already supports OpenVPN and wireguard (check your settings -> network). If so, just download wireguard/OpenVPN config files from mullvad: https://mullvad.net/account/openvpn-config?platform=linux

[–] TheAnnoyingFruit@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I think if you read through this you have pretty much everything you asked about. As for understanding what these sorts of commands do in the future I think ChatGPT is actually really useful for stuff like this with good documentation. Just ask what the commands do and it is usually quite helpful. Someone already said it but you have to want to learn this. If you want something easy to use and you don’t have to learn buy a Mac, you want great software compatibility buy a windows pc. If you want something that is more private and a community effort use Linux but unless you are using steam os on a steam deck it is not even close to being as user friendly as the others. I hope this changes but the current goals and mindsets of people in this community will prevent Linux from becoming easy to use and in the case of steam os you just need lots of money to make it an easy experience. There are a million other reasons that Linux’s current state is this way but this is the gist.

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[–] MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Normally you'd just run sudo apt install ... but in this case you are adding a new repository so you have to follow the extra steps of adding the signing key and so on first.

[–] bbbhltz 6 points 1 year ago

You can achieve this through graphical utilities.

Self-updating apps aren't a big thing on Linux, so the Windows way isn't an option...

The signing key is important for security reasons, so you definitely need to add that. After adding the repo you can just use Synaptic or whatever app store thingy Ubuntu uses.

Most of the time you shouldn't need to fiddle with the command line and the apps you will need are available through the Software Centre and the entire process will work like on Windows.

For me, Linux was the first operating system I used that had an app store or software centre and I was pretty glad to not need to...

  • open a browser,
  • navigate to a site,
  • (hope it is the right site...)
  • download a binary executable,
  • open a file explorer,
  • launch the binary,
  • click through a list of options and agreements,
  • and finally delete the binary.
[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago
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