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Trump told donors he will crush pro-Palestinian protests, deport demonstrators - The Washington Post (Gifted article, no paywall) (wapo.st)
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[–] thisisnotgoingwell@programming.dev 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

People like you are why the Democratic party keeps forcing shit candidates down our throats. They count on obnoxious people like you to guilt others into voting for "the lesser of two evils"

[–] cobra89 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No, it's because people like you don't vote in primaries. I vote in every primary for better candidates meanwhile people like you scream how the candidates are awful while staying home during the primaries.

The candidates won't get better until we grass roots organize and start actually making good candidates popular.

[–] thisisnotgoingwell@programming.dev 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You know there's elections before the primaries right? The Democratic party has shown that it will resort to all means of corruption to give you the "establishment" candidate. And people like you keep voting for the lesser of two evils. Let the Democrats lose more elections they shouldn't lose, eventually they learn they need to uphold the values of democracy to win an election.

If the Democratic party wasn't corrupt to the core, it would have been Bernie. After that it would have been Andrew Yang. You keep voting these Republicans in Democrat clothing, nothing ever gets solved. Every democrat in history since I was born has promised to do something about immigration, nothing ever gets done. Why? Because it serves their interests to have a variable workforce that they can underpay and demean.

[–] WaterLizard 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hillary won the democratic nomination because older voters turned out more to vote in her favor. While young voters primaries for Bernie, the overwhelming majority of those voting in the primaries were older.

Like Barack Obama eight years ago, Bernie Sanders captured the vote of younger voters under 30, and they made up a greater percentage of the electorate in 2016 (17 percent) than in 2008 (14 percent). And Sanders fared better among these younger voters, winning 71 percent of voters under 30 (compared to 59 percent for Obama in 2008). Voters between 30 and 44 made up 23 percent of Democratic primary voters, and they were almost evenly divided between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. In most of the states where exit polls were conducted, the candidate who won the vote of 30 to 44 year olds won the primary. Six in 10 Democratic voters were over the age of 45, and as she did eight years ago, Hillary Clinton won the support of older voters. Clinton won 64 percent of voters between 45 and 64 and 71 percent of voters 65 and older.

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If more youth turned out to vote in the Primaries in an equal or stronger force than older voters, Bernie would have had the nomination.

Regarding Democrats not doing anything to support immigrants, DREAM Act and DACA were ushered in with greater force and an expansion was attempted due to Obama despite Republicans consistently fighting it or Republican Governors suing against it. The expansion was stalled by our conservative Supreme Court, but would have been successful if we had more left leaning judges. General overview. It's not that democrats are not attempting these things, but more so we lack the majorities in Congress and on SCOTUS. There is the potential of more justices retiring in the next presidential cycle and whoever wins has the ability to make the court more right or left leaning which will have an impact on this.

[–] thisisnotgoingwell@programming.dev 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

You're missing a lot of context. You're examining the contents of the effect, without looking at the cause.

The DNC rigged the primaries before any ballots were cast. They conspired against Bernie Sanders to have Hillary as the nominee and worked to sabotage Bernie's run for presidency. Talking about exit poll statistics doesn't really mean much. The corruption was already well underway.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774/

[–] godzilla_lives 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's mind-boggling to hear people cry foul about Bernie Sanders when the man himself has endorsed Biden and is actively helping him campaign.

[–] thisisnotgoingwell@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What's mind boggling about it? Bernie Sanders wasn't a prophet. He ran on a platform and we believed in his candidacy. Just because he bent over for Hillary doesn't mean that suddenly now she's a great candidate. If he had to bite down on the rag, I don't fault him for that. But asking people to get on board "just this once" every election is just a carrot on the stick. It's always "but this one is SUPER important, set yourself aside and pick the lesser evil, eventually we can get what we want." There is no "eventually" and there never will be as long as you and others like you show that you're willing to throw your ideals away because of this season's boogieman

[–] godzilla_lives 4 points 5 months ago

I voted for Bernie twice, in the 2016 primaries and again in the 2020 primaries. I donated a few hundred bucks as well. After he lost, I voted for the candidate he endorsed, because in my view, the candidate he endorsed would get us closer to the ideals he espoused, and certainly not the GOP. That is why it's mind-boggling.

If he had to bite down on the rag

Sexist and uncalled for. Do better.

[–] t3rmit3 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

“Wait,” I said. “That victory fund was supposed to be for whoever was the nominee, and the state party races. You’re telling me that Hillary has been controlling it since before she got the nomination?”

Gary said the campaign had to do it or the party would collapse.

“That was the deal that Robby struck with Debbie,” he explained, referring to campaign manager Robby Mook. “It was to sustain the DNC. We sent the party nearly $20 million from September until the convention, and more to prepare for the election.”

Holy shit.

Bernie took this stoically. He did not yell or express outrage. Instead he asked me what I thought Hillary’s chances were. The polls were unanimous in her winning but what, he wanted to know, was my own assessment?

I had to be frank with him. I did not trust the polls, I said. I told him I had visited states around the country and I found a lack of enthusiasm for her everywhere. I was concerned about the Obama coalition and about millennials.

Even the then-head of the DNC knew she was going to lose. It was too late to do anything at that point, but people are over here blaming Bernie and young voters for 2016, when Donna Brazile knew Hillary was going to lose the election, and Hillary had completely controlled the DNC to shut Bernie out.

[–] thisisnotgoingwell@programming.dev 3 points 5 months ago

Yup. The corruption is blatant, and the worst part is, they don't even hide it... the threat of impending doom keeps the voters subservient. Instead of pointing out the corruption, we equivocate. I'm not a nihilist or a pessimist and most certainly do not want Trump to win. But refusing to acknowledge the blatant corruption puts us right where we started.

Props to you for actually reading the article. If anyone else who replied to the comment had done the same, there wouldn't be as many "what-about-isms"

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The democratic/republican parties will shove shit candidates down your throat weather you vote for them or not.

There is no thirst anywhere that there is means to change it, to change it.

By refusing to vote, all you are doing is are refusing to limit damage.

Damage limitation is the best you can reasonably hope for