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[–] coffeetest 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I get the idea of voting not-R vs excited to vote for the Dem. But Hillary Clinton would like a word.

I'm old. In almost every election it has been the same for me. Vote for the lesser of the evils. I would vote for a very progressive candidate if I thought they would have a chance. When I was young I did vote 3rd part a few times.

Voting for the lesser of the evils isn't exciting but you know what, it has been a vastly better plan seeing a Dem, any dem in power, than the R alternatives in my life. Compare to, Reagan, Bush, Shrub, and Mr Indictment.

For this current election, it is crazily out of balance. Contrary to popular opinion (real or manufactured) I believe Biden has been a good president. The Israel situation is deeply depressing and I am not happy with how that has been handled but I guarantee the world will be a much, much worse place with vastly more severe consequences if Biden loses.

[–] t3rmit3 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I believe Biden has been a mostly-decent president, apart from the whole providing-weapons-for-genocide thing, or the whole authorizing-fossil-fuel-extraction-on-federal-lands-after-expicitly-promising-not-to thing, or the whole campaigning-for-more-police thing, or the whole aggressive-deportations-of-assylum-seekers thing... Oh wait.

And don't get me wrong, I don't want Trump to win; but I'm becoming more certain he will, barring a criminal conviction. Biden is weak, and getting weaker, as a candidate.

And you already have the DNC preparing for it, too, putting out op-eds about how if Biden loses, it will have been the fault of RFK, or West, or Bernie, or literally whoever else they can pin it on.

And at some point, if all you're doing is choosing the lesser-genocider, where any potential non-genociders are being actively sabotaged and removed from your options as a voter, you're not in a democracy, you're in a facade that makes you believe you have Representation, so you won't repeat what happens when you don't believe that.

And I'm not sure what you mean about Hillary wanting a word; she is the poster child for "not excited to vote for", and what happens when you force that candidate through anyways.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

believe Biden has been a mostly-decent president, apart from the whole

Yeah, But can you name any president in the last 70 years from either party who didn't bend over for Isreal?

[–] t3rmit3 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yes, I was in fact able to find plenty of info written about this relating to presidents before my time. Apparently it was Reagan (surprise surprise) who really kicked off US supporting Israel militarily, but even Reagan had the balls to cut off weapons sales to Israel after they bombed Iraq's only nuclear reactor in 1981 (which was a much more arguably valid target than city blocks of homes in Gaza). Prior to him, our aid to Israel was mostly limited to food assistance and political shielding at the UN outside of limited support during the 1967 war. Source.

Biden on the other hand, is literally trying to secure MORE military aid for them, so he's literally doing worse on this issue than Reagan did, which is quite a feat.

But more recently, Obama was absolutely at odds with Netanyahu, and even clashed with Biden personally, over Biden's support for Israel.

This rhetoric that, "oh well there's nothing else that Biden can do" is complete b.s. It's been his open, sincerely-stated desire to support Israel, for decades.