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Is defederation from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works still necessary? (self.support)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by theangriestbird to c/support

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This is more of a question for the admins, but this can certainly be a more open discussion.

Per this thread, beehaw defederated from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works two months ago, around the time that the reddit exodus was happening. Lemmy was blowing up, those instances had an open sign-up policy, and this meant that admins of other instances (like Beehaw) that wanted to heavily moderate their communities became quickly overwhelmed with the number of users from these two instances. Beehaw defederated to make the workload more realistic.

Two months on, I'm wondering if this defederation is still necessary. It seems to me that Lemmy overall has slowed down a lot, and maybe the flow of users from these outside servers would not be as overwhelming as it was before? I respect the decision of the admins one way or the other - I know that the lack of moderation tools was another factor in this decision. I'm just curious if this is something that has been considered recently?

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[–] Antik@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Speaking for Lemmy World - we look for new moderators when we notice communities are un-moderated. We follow the reports closely and if we notice they aren't picked up by that community's moderators we reach out.

And yes, we were also told initially that it was because of a lack of moderation tools but now @Lionir@beehaw.org seems indicate a "cultural" difference. But we are left wondering what the difference with LW and the other instances they federate with are.

[–] jarfil 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Having accounts on both instances, I can say the "cultural" difference is the moderation style, and user expectations:

Lemmy World: Reddit-like rules, a huge influx of Reddit refugees who think every comment has to go against the parent one, free registration which makes it easy to create an account and go troll mode on federated instances.
Beehaw: Very open-ended but at the same time strict "be nice" moderation with minimal rules, users who had to "write an essay" (sic) to create an account, a general non-Reddit culture of... well, being nice.
Lemmygrad, Hexbear, Exploding heads, etc: I think the cultural differences are obvious there.
Other instances: they have much smaller user bases than Lemmy World, so even when there are cultural differences (dbzer0, lemm.ee, etc), they are not overwhelming (yet) the mod team on Beehaw.

we look for new moderators when we notice communities are un-moderated

The problem is not just having moderators on LW, but moderating LW's userbase on federated instances. Some number of LW's users seem to be hostile towards Beehaw, and there is little LW can do about that other than banning their accounts, which I don't think would be that much better for anyone.

[–] BuxtonWater 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

users who had to “write an essay” (sic) to create an account, a general non-Reddit culture of… well, being nice.

Didn't have to be an essay, it just had to be something that answered the 3 questions it asked about why you want to join beehaw.

[–] jarfil 12 points 1 year ago

Precisely. I think the "write an essay" has become kind of a meme among non-Beeple about Beehaw at this point; I first saw it on Reddit a couple months ago, kept seeing it on and off, and just today saw it again.

It was also in part what made me join: when I saw what it was all about, I was like "so... people who believe that thinking before answering is too much effort, won't be here... nice..." 😄

[–] averyminya 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My friend put some pretty simple stuff and got denied. Granted it may have been during a negative influx

[–] Lionir 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Feel free to message me on Beehaw or email at support@beehaw.org, I'll review the message and say why I might've denied it though I can't answer for others.

[–] averyminya 2 points 1 year ago

For sure, I'll let him know if he's still interested :) he mostly uses the toot style so he's mostly on mastodon these days, but always happy to share community!

Really more than anything he's looking for Gundam and Gunpla communities

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[–] Lionir 10 points 1 year ago

And yes, we were also told initially that it was because of a lack of moderation tools but now @Lionir@beehaw.org seems indicate a “cultural” difference. But we are left wondering what the difference with LW and the other instances they federate with are.

Yes, there are differences in site culture between Beehaw and Lemmy.world that make the need for moderation higher.

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