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[–] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 61 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It's not only with Black Friday. The Android tablets market is flooded with absolute expensive stinkers for devices. You will notice this in any physical electronic store.

[–] db2@sopuli.xyz 36 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Not to mention fakes. I bought and Android 12 tablet on Amazon as new not long ago, the version string said 12, but the actual API level was 24 (Android 7) and the UI wasn't android 12.

If you don't think that's a big deal on a cheap tablet then you're not considering what else could have been done to it that you can't see. They're already lying after all.

[–] qupada@kbin.social 23 points 11 months ago (2 children)

And even apparently from name brands.

My sister bought a low-end Samsung tablet (some years ago admittedly), and it NEVER received a software update in the 3 years she owned it. Not a major update, not a security patch, nothing.

I'd hope they've gotten better about that, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Probably that was before Samsung offered 5 years of updates. And if the tablet was a bit outdated, it would have easily been outside of the software EOL date.

That's why you should always go for phones/tablets that have been released this year and not take an outdated one. Not for the specs, but for the software support duration.

Over here there is a food discounter that also has a tiny electronics corner, where they have "great" deals. You can often get phones and tablets for less than half of the MSRP. The issue is, that all of them are either out of software support or close to it. A while ago they sold a cheap iPhone that had one month of software support left. And on iPhone, most apps only run on the currently newest iOS version. So a month after buying that iPhone, the user would lose access to most of their apps.

[–] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

That's honestly amazing for mobile software development. A stack of devices that can make great testing devices or compact servers if cheap enough. Or Clash of Clans/Pokemon GO alt accounts.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago

my s7 is on the latest android and still gets patches samsung is so much better these days

[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 38 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Isn't not buying anything on Black Friday generally a good advice?

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Some of the crap being pushed out cheap is made just for Black Friday. Weird TVs with one HDMI port, or the guts of it are leftovers from three years ago, stuff like that.

I mean sure, buy a PS5 or whatever because there's no cheapo version of that with a PS4 Pro in it, but for things like TVs, tablets, or things with a million different model numbers? Buyer beware.

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[–] kratoz29@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

When is a good time to buy then?

[–] jeremyparker@programming.dev 3 points 11 months ago

I'm not sure if there is a "good time" to buy - not as a blanket timeframe for all things. If you want to save money, use camel camel camel and patience.

However - it all depends on how much you're talking about trying to save, how substantial that amount is to you, and how much your time is worth - because if you make $20/hour and you spend 16 hours in order to save $5, that's not a great investment.

Black Friday is almost always a scam. Maybe once upon a time it wasn't, but, capitalists gotta capitalize.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I bought two 4TB USB SSDs half price, they seem well built and were brand new. I think I did pretty well.

[–] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Online? Because I've been looking for some good external data storage solutions today if you've got a link lol.

I'm also considering springing for a Synology NAS if I can find a good deal, but I've already dropped a lot on a laptop.

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[–] rynzcycle@kbin.social 29 points 11 months ago (5 children)

It gets worse. Visiting a friend recently, they tried to give me an old Kindle, (which I politely declined). They have a drawer of about 6 old ones because they can't help buying the latest every sale. They don't even read that much!!

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 15 points 11 months ago

Damn I would take a free Kindle!

[–] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I would have personally accepted. More devices for modding and tinkering with! πŸ”₯

[–] kratoz29@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

A fellow SBCgamer perhaps?

[–] vividspecter@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

Crazy. I still have an old Kobo ereader which is a bit slow and has a low res screen but it's fine for just reading (the slowness is almost a benefit since it's less likely to be a distraction). I can't imagine buying a new model every year.

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[–] otter@lemmy.ca 13 points 11 months ago (5 children)

On that note, what are GOOD android tablets for different price ranges?

[–] ZILtoid1991@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago

Samsung still makes great ones. Some of them are even compatible with Wacom pens.

Once I helped to set up a Lenovo Android tablet, that too was stellar compared to the cheap junk you can meet with easily.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

samsung s series is top tier

dare i say better than the ipad

[–] odium@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago

I don't know about tablets, but if you want to go big on general purpose android smartphone:

Samsung flagships for the best hardware and Google flagships for the best software.

I assume the same rule might still hold for android tablets.

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[–] No1@aussie.zone 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This whole thread smells like a Samsung ad...

[–] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

s/Samsung//

This is SEO foam of the sea of e-commerce.

[–] Limonene@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago

No mention of Lineage OS or Replicant. This article is definitely some commercialized trash. An "awful Android tablet" is any tablet that runs its stock operating system.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago (9 children)

I've hated tablets since they first came out and never really changed on that. It's just a miserable way for me to do anything when I have a phone and computer already. I would be into a Kindle for reading on eink, but outside of that I can't stand tablets.

[–] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

e-ink isn't (edit: good) color.

Tablets are the ideal form factor for things that would traditionally require a large, full-color book. That is: passing around a photo album, reading magazines, textbooks, comics, playing turn-based games like board-games and strategy games. If you use a stylus they're excellent for things that require free-form pen-and-paper like math homework and creating art.

Now, when they were a $600 luxury item that didn't really make sense as a product. But now that they're like $150 for a solidly good tablet they're absolutely a worthwhile purchase for those use-cases.

[–] TurtleTourParty@midwest.social 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If small phones were still a thing I could see myself getting a 7 or 8" tablet again (RIP Nexus 7) but with 6+" screens being the norm there's no point.

I do love my kobo libre 2 for reading but also wish it was smaller.

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[–] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I have one of those Lenovos for reading comics, and they're great. Nothing amazing but you can't beat the bang for your buck.

[–] Fluba@lemdro.id 2 points 11 months ago

I got the newer Lenovo M9 and it's great for the price. It can stutter at times, but comics, books, and stremio - no problems.

[–] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Pixel Tablet with GrapheneOS is the best choice

[–] jcarax 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That depends, of course. For media consumption you might want a bigger screen. For reading you might want a smaller screen. Many will want a more mainstream OS that plays better with all their apps and various DRM. Some will want a more capable OS, like Linux or Windows. Some will want iOS, for some unfathomable reason...

For me, a big portion of what I want a tablet for will be covered by the Pixel Tablet on Graphene. That is multiple profiles, for work, play, and banking.

  • Most of my banking apps are available, and most importantly so is YNAB. My phone is kept with a very minimal app footprint, and no Play Store in any capacity, and I don't particularly like budgeting in my browser either on my phone or laptop.
  • I don't let work anywhere near my phone, but occasionally I do want to check Outlook or Teams without jumping into my work laptop. I also need to monitor some things actively for hours on end, so it would be nice to be able to do that from the kitchen, living room, or patio without having to go through the nightmare that is un-docking and re-docking my work laptop that runs Windows. Luckily work lets me Intune join a tablet so long as it's not rooted, others may have stricter OS limitations though.
  • Sometimes I just want to chill out on the couch and watch a movie or TV show. I don't have a TV, and if I'm on my laptop I tend to put the video in PIP and divide my attention. A tablet makes me far less likely to do this.

I prefer Calyx on my phone, for the sake of the extra privacy of Micro-G vs sandboxed Google Play Services. But most of my tablet use case tends more towards mainstream, so I think the compromise is worth it for the more robust multi-profile support in Graphene. But hey, Calyx supports the Pixel Tablet, too.

But... part of me still wants a tablet with a full Linux distro on it, so I'm tempted by stuff like the Starlabs Starlite, and the upcoming Minisforum Ryzen 8000 tablet. But I won't have a streamlined OS that minimizes distractions, and unless I run Ubuntu LTS I wouldn't be able to use it for anything work related. There are also a lot more DRM limitations in regards to streaming video.

Point is, everyone is going to have their own special use case. I'm just glad we're finally getting some FOSS capable tablets into the market, be they running AOSP or Linux.

[–] Skimmer@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I prefer Calyx on my phone, for the sake of the extra privacy of Micro-G vs sandboxed Google Play Services.

You should give DivestOS a try tbh if you prefer microG to Sandboxed Play Services, since Divest's implementation of microG is sandboxed/unprivileged unlike Calyx's, which is a massive privacy and security benefit. Divest in general is a lot more private and secure then stock or Calyx, since it includes a lot of hardening and patches from Graphene, so I'd recommend it as the second best option to Graphene in general, and definitely by far the best option for using microG. Divest also covers most of the same phones Calyx and Graphene do, unfortunately no Pixel Tablet support though.

(I'm not trying to shill Divest or anything btw lol, I just think its a great underrated project that deserves a lot more recognition and support than it has, and seems to fit your use case)

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[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 4 points 11 months ago

I had bought a P11 Pro Gen 2 because I wanted an Oled tablet for reading, and outside of buying a very old Samsung S5e, it's basically the cheapest option for oled along with its Chinese counterpart (Xiaoxin Pad Pro). Samsung Oled tablets are all of the # Plus tablets, which usually retail for more than the p11 pro gen 2.

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 3 points 11 months ago

The article mentions tablets with resistive touch.

Is that really a thing? I thought, Android only supported capacitative touch.

Resistive touch would mean no multitouch and thus no two-finger gestures.

[–] SGHFan@lemdro.id 3 points 11 months ago

I now have an S6 Lite (keeping on One UI for an experiment)!

[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] jcarax 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

https://us.starlabs.systems/pages/starlite

Rocky isn't one of the distros you can get preloaded, but it's probably fairly trivial.

[–] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeahhhh ! But the price... PS : I don't bought ever a Samsung pricing is too high... I got a Lenovo it works fine except the crappy battery

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Or, don't waste your money on any kind of tablet ever. What do you actually need a tablet for?

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