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I've noticed YouTube specifically has become more addictive, I never used to be one to sit and scroll for long durations before but I often catch myself spending way too long on shorts now

Even people or older generations seem to be getting sucked in nowadays

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[–] SHamblingSHapes@lemmy.one 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I find YouTube is less attractive than a year ago. Ads are more invasive and more difficult to remove. Recommendations skew heavily to the rage-inducing, e.g., I watched one late night comedy sketch making fun of Jordan Peterson and then my feed was full of clips of him spewing his hot trash for weeks.

I gave up on reddit earlier in the year when all the API / sub blackout / forced mod removal stuff was going on.

Freemium apps seem to be pushing ads more and more, which makes me more resistant to using them.

If what I read online is true, the days of investors throwing money at anything tech related are slowing down. Which means some companies that have never had to be profitable before now must find a way to do so. Which means tightening up subscriptions and/or more ads.

[–] vivi@slrpnk.net 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I try to spread this tip everywhere i can: If you ever find that you've watched one of those videos that fucks up the recommendations, go to your watch history and delete the video. It really works.

[–] jtk@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago

I disabled and cleared my history, now I don't get any recommendations except the ones related to the video I'm currently watching πŸ‘

I’m feeling the opposite lately. YouTube recommendations suck. I often open the app/page for the quick dopamine rush, but few of the recommendations interests me, so I just bounce off. For me, YouTube is mostly for long form content nowadays. Something I can put in the background while cooking/doing dishes.

Instagram is turning more and more like TikTok. Sometimes it recommends me something fun (like cat videos), but often it’s just nonsense. So I bounce off quite quickly there as well.

I feel happy about it.

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

shorts are designed to be addictive. just don't use them. otherwise, the platform hasn't changed, you have

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

No, shorts are shit and I'm absolutely not sucked in. They try to emulate tik tok so I would say this format simply works for you.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have a seething hatred for shorts. I refuse to watch anything designed like them on any platform.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's part of the idea, isn't it? They mix normal content with max cringe content because that's what keeps people watching.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

Absolutely. That’s completely not for me, no way, no how.

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

It does unfortunately. I don't like it but it absolutely hacks my brain

Would love if there was just an option to disable shorts in the app because I still want to use original youtube

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

Recently? No, but maybe I'm in my own bubble. I've made my phone more boring intentionally. Getting rid of Reddit made me get off my phone a lot more. I really just mindlessly browse Lemmy and Mastodon now, and I run out of content on those.

[–] Thisfox@sopuli.xyz 15 points 11 months ago

Shorts made it less addictive, they're awful to watch and I invariably stop at one.

Perhaps you are experiencing a spike in your own addictive behaviour?

[–] Fleppensteijn@feddit.nl 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm getting bored with my smartphone. Stuff like YouTube I never watch on my phone anyway, but imo YouTube has gotten much worse over time and I barely watch it at all now.

[–] Crotaro 2 points 1 year ago

I honestly think that content on YouTube has gotten better and better. Not the systems of YouTube, mind you, just the stuff that people create. But maybe that's because in the last year or so I've been watching and discovering a lot more educational YouTubers (think Tom Scott, MΓΌnecat, Real Engineering, etc). among the exclusively funny stuff.

[–] Extrasvhx9he@lemmy.today 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Their algorithm is specifically designed to keep you entertained. Kind of a curse or a gift depending on who you ask. Think the worst cases are children tbh it was insane my first time seeing a tablet kid out in the wild. Faced glued to the screen being walked by their mom

[–] stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 12 points 11 months ago

If anything I'm less addicted to my smartphone now that Reddit got rid of the 3rd party apps.

[–] Noedel@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Use revanced and remove shorts

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

If I were going to use anything I'd probably use piped as a PWA, but the problem is none of them seem to do recommendations and I just get generic content on the front page which doesn't really interest me

[–] bitwolf@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem is that most people aren't aware that shorts / stories are made to be addictive.

If you keep pointing out to your friends and family how much time / battery they waste watching them they may start to take action though.

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm well aware how much time I'm wasting, I've got a screen time monitor setup and have even gone so far as writing my own script that takes me to youareanidiot.org if I try to open YouTube before 10am but it still didn't stop me for a good amount of time

I think I might've just about kicked it at this point but now I'm spending loads of time scrolling Lemmy and talking to strangers instead which I suppose is marginally better

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[–] huginn@feddit.it 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you find yourself suddenly grasping for more and more time escaping reality consider seeing a psychiatrist.

You could have major depression: it was one of my symptoms.

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jesus Christ lol make a comment about social media on the internet and immediately get diagnosed with depression

[–] huginn@feddit.it 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not a diagnosis it's encouragement to see someone about an issue you've expressed.

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Therapists are gonna be pretty busy then because it's a good proportion of people I know that have been sucked into this kind of content one way or another more than they'd like

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you find yourself randomly diagnosing strangers with depression consider seeing a psychiatrist.

[–] huginn@feddit.it 4 points 1 year ago

If you interpret "talk to a doctor" as diagnosing someone consider seeing a dictionary

[–] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 11 months ago

...and less effective, and more proprietary, and more homogenous.

[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Shorts (tiktoks, reels) are designed to do just that, hook you in and keep you scrolling.
It's like a constant rolling cliffhanger.

Has its good sides - not everything can or should be a long format video. However, I think the scale is tipped too much towards shorts recently. There is not enough time in shorts to formulate a proper statement, so they need to stretch over multiple parts.

My biggest dislike is the separation of context - shorts and longs are completely separate in Youtube even by the same creator, and the most popular platform TikTok, doesn't even support longer videos.

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Personally I think the problem is that YouTube promotes them so much harder than normal videos

If you look at the homepage of YouTube on mobile you get one normal video, then a row of ~6 shorts, then another normal video and so on

Much more likely to pique your interest showing you so many more shorts vs videos and once you're in it's difficult to break free

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[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Not really. I never got into mobile gaming, tiktok, reels, shorts, instagram, snapchat etc. so I mainly use my phone for podcasts, maps and browsing lemmy while on toilet. While on my computer I spend 95% of my time on YouTube but I feel like even that has gotten worse lately. I've been getting suggestions about videos with like 19 views constantly and no matter how many I mark as "not interested" or "don't recommend channel" they just keep coming back. Apparently because I like watching TheRunningManZ I must also like every other DayZ streamer that no one has ever heard about.

[–] theKalash@feddit.ch 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not really.

Just stay away from garbage content like TikTok and shorts. But you can't blame your shitty media consumption on the smartphone.

[–] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It seems to also be a switching task issue in our minds. These changes of states takes more effort than playing the next video does or just keeping on what we are doing. It's so much easier for us to keep playing the digital dopamine slot machine that, TikTok, instagram reels, Facebook and YouTube short videos provide.

From a business sense they want to keep your attention, from a biology sense we are safe and don't see a need to move with the random rewards another quick video offers.

It's amazing how well they have refined getting and keeping our attention. We also get rewarded with dopamine from the anticipation of the next story or short video. It gets we don't even really need the next video, just the anticipation is enough to reward us with more dopamine.

I've read doing a simple reverse mental countdown of 5-4-3-2-1 blast off helps us switch gears from another part of the brain. It can also help us get out of bed or off the couch.

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I just avoid shorts or reels or whatever personally. They're short and engaging making it easy to lose track of time.

But yeah you're 100% right my parents (late 50s) have started doing it a lot. I've noticed a lot of teenagers do as well.

[–] livus@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Me too. I've seen my partner on them and it's like a really bad version of tiktok only you don't get to train the algorithm properly. No thanks.

[–] pr06lefs@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lately I've been more conscious of my decisions to watch trash on you tube. You watch a few traffic cam videos and pretty soon that's half your feed. So I'm finding myself thinking twice before clicking.

Shorts I mostly avoid because I feel that feature is toxic clickbait.

[–] JPAKx4@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago

I had to get YouTube revanced to disable the shorts player for me, and then had to disable notifications. It's a place of no return.

[–] shiveyarbles 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey, if it's fun/interesting/informative it seems fine to me. If you're turning into a drooling maga zombie watching rage bait then that's on you.

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's entertaining but it's a massive waste of time that puts my brain into a state I don't like.

I'll happily waste hours on videogames, watching long form content, tinkering with my laptop etc because I at least feel like I've come away with something at the end of that whereas shorts the moment I stop I feel like I've just completely wasted 15 minutes of my life

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[–] Rikj000@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

Big tech writes the equivalent of digital heroin.

The longer they can keep you on their platforms,
the more they can data-farm you,
the more data they have on you,
the more they can sell about you / earn on you.

Detox yourself from your bad heroin addiction,
by switching to fair FOSS (Free Open Source Software) alternatives.

E.g. Use Invidious, Grayjay or NewPipe instead of YouTube.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

Can't say I agree with your example, but I agree in general with the idea. Shorts suck.

[–] SomeBoyo@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't watch shorts, but the algorithm became absolute trash for me recently.

I don't watch shorts, for this reason. I tried them when they first started and noticed I was just scrolling video after video, so I stopped watching them. I don't have addiction issues, though.

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When I watch videos on my phone, I mostly just watch downloaded TV shows using VLC. I never use the youtube app. If I watch a youtube video, I use Firefox with uBlock origin.

I hate using a small screen, so I watch 99.9% of my videos on my laptop and desktop. I can't stand youtube shorts, so I use an addon to block them.

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I tend to like watching YouTube on my phone every now and again, I don't have a problem with proper full length videos. It's the fact that I'm bombarded with so many shorts in the UI and can't get rid of them on mobile

Obviously newpipe and piped are a thing but they both are somewhat lacking compared to the official app in user experience

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

I am using

  • Mull + adblock
  • greyjay
  • jerboah
  • several Discuss webapps
  • internet searching
  • antennapod for podcasts

This is already enough to get me addicted and its not even typical social media

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I hadn’t noticed but I think you’re right

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