If only ~~they didn't fuck up~~ season 3 ~~so badly.~~ wasn't such a disappointment for me.
this post was submitted on 12 Nov 2023
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Take it easy guys ... I've watched Star Trek for so many years now ... I really don't care what they get right or wrong any more ... I just love the series for what it is, it's been so much part of my life now that it's like looking at a family member who is decent, has their flaws but I still love none the less.
No, I think I really could have worded that more diplomatically. This topic is important for people and I should try to word my criticism in a constructive manner
Here's what I don't understand. They went through the Singularity to the future because that was the only place the Control AI wouldn't be able to find them, right? Except Control was already destroyed before they went through the Singularity!
I've never even been able to start season 3 because I just can't get past the stupidity of not reversing the engines away from the Singularity the moment Control was eliminated as a threat.
Except Control was already destroyed before they went through the Singularity!
They didn't know that for sure, and the debriefings with Pike, Spock, and the gang at the end establish that they took some time afterward to confirm that Control had been completely eliminated.
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Well, that's where I think their plan falls apart a bit. My interpretation was always that they were going to try to stay in the wormhole, effectively removing themselves from the timestream - hence the episode title "Perpetual Infinity". I don't have access to episode transcripts right now, but Memory Alpha seems to support this:
Burnham speculates that perhaps instead of fighting against time, they flow with it, and try to merge the Sphere into the "river of time" itself – sending it so far into the future that it would not be able to harm them. Stamets' examination of the Red Angel's suit has revealed it has almost infinite data storage, which Pike takes to mean that they would input the Sphere archive into the suit, program a destination beyond Gabrielle's anchor point, and let the micro-wormhole take it away forever. "Perpetual infinity", Stamets confirms; Control will not be able to get the data, ever.
However, I think there are multiple ways to interpret the scene, and I think the last couple of episodes of the season are pretty sloppy in that regard.
I think it was to make sure that there was a clean break of the data from the timeline just in case Control had hidden some part of itself somewhere. That way the data was in no danger of being found while efforts were made in present time to ensure there would never be a “Control” again. Georgiou said she leaves as little to chance as she can (I’m paraphrasing a bit there). Notice she didn’t say Control was “dead” or “gone”, she said “neutralized.” By still flinging Discovery far into the future, I’m guessing Pike and Saru felt the same - this was too important to leave to chance, they had to be sure.
That's the paradox tho.... if they go through, they fulfill the timeline of the future. If they don't, they break the timeline and now there is a new chance for control to reappear and restart.
The other thing is .... these are time paradoxes so whatever happens creates a new universe and we will never become aware of the alternate versions.
But you do have a great point .... I was so excited watching the finale that I didn't think of that.
There are plot holes everywhere that you could fly a star ship through .... but I still enjoyed it.
The other thing is ... these are time paradoxes so whatever happens creates a new universe and we will never become aware of the alternate versions.
Are you thinking Marvel-style timeline-forking? I could be wrong, but I believe it is established that time doesn't work that way in Trek.
As others have said this isn’t the infinitely expanding manifold time of DC or MCU (pre Loki season 2).
SNW season two confirmed what we could infer from the premier of TNG when the date of WW3 had shifted back decades. It also happens to line up better with the understandings of modern physics.
The Prime Timeline in Star Trek is a resilient enormous river. It can be shifted a bit in its course, slip forwards and back.
BUT major events remain largely unchanged
- those changes that aren’t large enough to create a major fork shift to a very different future as in TOS City at the Edge of Forever
OR
- it takes an event of the order of the Romulan Supernova to create a new branch universe (Kelvin U).
Wait for the last season. It's kind of awesome what they did with everything. Big and small come together in pretty great ways
Umm are we friends now?
You were my friend before you even asked
Every interaction with you so far has been very pleasant. Keep up the good fight. I look forward to our next one
I binged like the last quarter of the 2nd season really stoned the first time around. 10/10 experience. Honestly it was awesome. Would do again.
You might want to see a doctor about that. But have fun!
