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The reformation meant recognizing new apostles—men and women believed to have God-given spiritual authority as leaders. It meant modern-day prophets—people believed to be chosen by God to receive revelations through dreams and visions and signs. It meant spiritual warfare, which was not intended to be taken metaphorically, but actually demanded the battling of demons that could possess people and territories and were so real that they could be diagrammed on maps.

It meant portals: specific openings where demonic or angelic forces could enter—eyes or mouths, for instance, or geographic locations such as Azusa Street in Los Angeles, scene of a seminal early-20th-century revival. It meant the rise of the Manifest Sons of God, an elite force that would be endowed with supernatural powers for spiritual and perhaps actual warfare.

Most significant, the new reformation required not just personal salvation but action to transform all of society. Christians were to reclaim the fallen Earth from Satan and advance the Kingdom of God, and this idea was not metaphorical either. The Kingdom would be a social pyramid, at the top of which was a government of godly leaders dispensing biblical laws and at the bottom of which was the full manifestation of heaven on Earth, a glorious world with no poverty, no racism, no crime, no abortion, no homosexuality, two genders, one kind of marriage, and one God: theirs.

Reading this article feels terrifying.....by the sheer ignorance of the people covered. They believe they are acting on behalf of God, literally. It feels like a doomsday cult.

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[–] b0rlax 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It should terrify you. They are either grifters willing to do anything to anyone in order to prove their beliefs, or they are extremely unwell mentally and would likely do anything to anyone in order to see their imagined reality play out.

I'll let you in on a secret as well... All religions are doomsday cults.

[–] sculd 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe not for Buddhism or Shinto.

But Abrahamic religions do seem to have that tendency.

[–] b0rlax 11 points 1 year ago

Depending on the form and era of buddhism, I do think that some have eschatology rooted in the belief structure.

To your point tho, I don't think its nearly as dogmatic.

[–] ag_roberston_author 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Look at the Rohingya Genocide in Myanmar and tell me how peaceful and not doomsday Buddhism is.

All religions are susceptible to manipulation by terrible people.

[–] sculd 2 points 1 year ago

I am well aware of the Rohingya genocide. I am only saying they are not “doomsday” as they don’t seem to think the world is ending.

That is closer to ethnic cleansing which is completely wrong but is another issue.

[–] java 2 points 1 year ago

All people are susceptible to manipulation by terrible people.

Fixed. Religions just put religious leaders in a position, where they have authority to push their ideas. Given that religious people are irrational by definition, it makes them easier to manipulate.

[–] drwho 4 points 1 year ago

These folks are grifters just as big as televangelists were in the 80's. The only thing is, they figured out that they can get away with a lot more if they don't do the TV circuit, and just act. If you dig a bit (spy on them the way they try to spy on us) you'll learn some very scary things.

[–] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"She would use $950,000 of her divorce settlement to buy the mountain."

I'm just flabbergasted by the sheer amount of money these people have. Who has $950,000 or anywhere close to that amount of cash? Even if I sold my house I wouldn't have that!

[–] luciole 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What if you get 1 million dollars, but you hear voices telling you to do things.

[–] ericjmorey 7 points 1 year ago
[–] sculd 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Same. Every time I hear people being scammed millions of dollars, I would be like, "why are these people falling for scams so rich?"

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[–] t3rmit3 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

When those folks say, "no racism", I'm pretty sure they mean, "no non-white people left to be racist against".

[–] 0x4E4F@infosec.pub 8 points 1 year ago

Damn it, I wanted to buy that mountain for god 😡!

[–] AnalogyAddict 3 points 1 year ago

The only times God has spoken directly to me were to tell me I was being stupid.