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wow just wow while i can't say i didn't see this one coming but it always amazes me where greed could lead someone

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[–] code_is_speech@lemmy.fmhy.ml 122 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Google is an ad company. To them, a web browser is nothing more than a tool for collecting user data and delivering ads.

When you use a chromium based browser you are allowing google, an ad company, to decide what the future of web browsing should look like. And this is the result.

Firefox is the ONLY browser which is genuinely competing with google. Do you think ad and tracking blockers are going to get better or worse once they die out, and literally every major browser is running on chromium?

Use firefox and u-block origin. Enjoy a superior, ad free, browsing experience, and support the future of an open web.

[–] crunchpaste@lemmy.dbzer0.com 72 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

It's so encouraging to hear so many pro Firefox opinions lately. Then I remember I'm logged into the pirate instance of a federated platform and anti-corporate sentiment is probably as high as it gets.

Sadly most younger people haven't even heard of Firefox.

[–] KinglyWeevil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's my preferred mobile browser because you can install ublock origin and other privacy extensions which is pretty unique

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[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 93 points 1 year ago

No way I'll use YouTube with ads. The amount of your lifetime they waste is what I'd consider disrespectful to their users. Even if the ads were bearable, I wouldn't turn off my ad blocker on any Google site for tracking alone.

I also don't see myself subscribing to YouTube Premium, firstly because it's too expensive (stop including your music streaming service and make it cheaper maybe?), but also because YouTube is just a platform with a lot of not curated content that YouTube had no part in creating.

Let's see how the cat and mouse games between YouTube and ad blockers and alternative frontends go. If it's too much of a hassle, I'll just stop using YouTube. I don't miss Twitter, I don't miss Reddit, and I won't miss YouTube.

[–] DrummyB@lemm.ee 73 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Probably get shit for this, but…

I just pay for Premium.

YT has literally become my cable. I listen to music, watch movies, documentaries, stand up comedy, news, sports… and cat videos, obviously.

To me it’s just worth it to pay a bit of money each month and have the whole thing just available to me.

I feel like if you were to put a money value on all the complaining, stomping of feet and trying to side-step the ads I’ve seen over the last several years, you’d probably find it’s actually less to just pay and enjoy it.

Just my opinion, of course…

[–] mr_right@lemmy.dbzer0.com 63 points 1 year ago

you do you if you use it that much and you think it's worth your money then good for you ( i honestly mean it ) we don't like youtube ads, YES that is true but it is not the only reason :

  • some of us hate youtube ( and google by extent ) for tracking
  • some of us hate youtube because it's algorithms tricking us into forcing certain agendas and ideals upon us
  • some of us hate youtube because the hypocrisy around how they treat content creator differently yet claiming they are all under the same "rules"

the list goes on but what i want to say is that we don't hate people who pay for youtube we hate those who defend the platform like it's a white knight and nothing shady happening in it

[–] ExistentialOverloadMonkey@programming.dev 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Google sucks and YouTube is evil.
If they were not such an explicitly and overtly shitty company, I'd pay for premium no qualms.
As it is, I wouldn't give them a dollar if the CEO would personally suck me off.

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[–] Perfide@reddthat.com 15 points 1 year ago

It's the principle of the matter to me. Google became the multibillion dollar corporation it is by selling my data, your data, everyones data. To then come around and demand I pay to continue using their service the way I have for over a decade? But also still continue selling our data? Nah, fuck that. When they cut me in a percentage on the data selling business, maybe then I'd consider premium.

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[–] doolittle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 52 points 1 year ago

Really not worth watching a 10 minute video that has four minutes of YouTube ads and a minute of a sponsor pitch by the creator.

[–] Anon@lemmy.one 48 points 1 year ago (10 children)

FreeTube/Piped on PC

ReVanced on droid

uYou+ on 🍎 phone

SmartTubeNext on 📺

Youtube can do the fuck they want on their website

[–] mr_right@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

add mpv+youtube-dl to thr mix and you get a full healthy dinner

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[–] gh0stcassette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 1 year ago

I haven't had this happen using ublock origin, but if they do figure out how to block ublock origin, adnausiem (ublock origin fork) might work. It's a fork of ublock origin that tricks the ad providers into thinking you clicked on every ad, which not only bypasses a lot of adblock detectors, it Actively costs them money by polluting their ad data with garbage.

[–] zos_kia@lemmy.fmhy.ml 46 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Honestly I think I'll go full hoarder with YouTube archivist and find a way to stream/synchronize on my devices. I mostly use YouTube to go to sleep so there is no way I go back to videos being interrupted by loud ass ads.

[–] mr_right@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 year ago (5 children)

i don't want to be a buzz kill but if this train continue its course i am afraid that they gonna do something about youtube-dl

[–] salarua@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

they wouldn't be able to do anything. youtube-dl doesn't use an API or anything like that, it just streams the video like a browser would and rips the stream. if they somehow actually managed to selectively block youtube-dl, all youtube-dl would have to do is send a different user agent. the only defense against stream ripping in general is to not stream anything at all, which Youtube obviously cannot do

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[–] TwilightKiddy@programming.dev 13 points 1 year ago

And then there will be another fork that does something about their something. Just like what happened to Vanced, for example.

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[–] Manticore@lemmy.nz 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The more ad-riddled they make the platform to try and monetise users, the more they make adblocks necessary to even be usable.

I didn't use to both with adblockers. I didn't like ads, but they didn't affect me enough for me to go through any effort blocking them.

Now I use blockers everywhere, on every platform. Even for creators I like, because I know how little they actually make for ads - so how bout instead of watching 12 hours of ads so they can get 2c, I just send them a dollar or buy their merch every once in a while to not watch ads at all? Etc.

Ads could have had a place. There are ads that serve a purpose, that have minimal disruption but still give businesses a way to develop awareness for those who might want to use them.

Movie trailers (including when they stopped trailing movies and started leading them) are examples of 'acceptable ads' to me. When I purchase something from a store and they include a printed card from their sponsor. When sports teams have logos for being sponsored. A work van with the business logo parked while out on call. Etc.

But the internet's online ads? Email spam? Telemarketing? These are forms of advertising that are actively hostile, and they've become the default. So now a user that wants to be on the internet at all is best served by block all ads, including the ones that would've otherwise been reasonable.

Google will never make me feel guilty for blocking ads when they're already making their search engine unusable, too.

[–] Manticore@lemmy.nz 49 points 1 year ago (4 children)

And while I'm at it, here's the filters to add to your uBlock Origin's MY FILTERS settings to block YT's blocker:

youtube.com##+js(set, yt.config_.openPopupConfig.supportedPopups.adBlockMessageViewModel, false)

youtube.com##+js(set, Object.prototype.adBlocksFound, 0)

youtube.com##+js(set, ytplayer.config.args.raw_player_response.adPlacements, [])

youtube.com##+js(set, Object.prototype.hasAllowedInstreamAd, true)

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[–] bashfluff@lemmynsfw.com 36 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm not paying for YouTube. It's algorithm sucks, it routinely sells your personal data, and virtually none of the money you spend goes to its creators--that YouTube pretends otherwise is repulsive. How did we get in the situation where we're being asked to pay more and more for worse and worse services? I'm not gonna be a part of it.

[–] etler@programming.dev 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'd be fine with ads and even paying if the creators weren't treated like trash and the number of ads weren't ridiculously obtrusive.

[–] Powerpoint@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately that's always the end result as never ending greed will always lead companies there

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[–] Fontasia@feddit.nl 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just don't get how these providers (Specifically Reddit with the API lockdown and now the stranglehold on mods, Twitter's new login requirement, and YouTube now cracking down on adblockers) are missing the point that their sites live and die by user generated content.

I understand these sites are hugely expensive to run, but if you keep alienating those who are bringing users to your site in the first place, people will stop submitting and people will stop visiting.

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[–] prtm@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

To everyone who is saying they use adblock and haven't seen this yet: YouTube probably rolled this out to a smaller percentage of users first. It allows them to understand how this change impacts user behaviour, e.g. how many users comply and disable their adblocker, how many more users close YouTube than usual etc. Most tech companies do this type of analysis before releasing a high impact change to all users.

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[–] Gainwhore@lemmy.fmhy.ml 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Whats up with all these online companies just deciding to be assholes this year.

[–] Banzai51@midwest.social 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Like another poster said, investors are pushing for profits. The Sillicon Valley model of throwing money at it until they figure it out is suffering with the downturn in the markets. So with the VC and investor money drying up, sites are pushing to make money to keep the lights on.

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[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago

Interest rates went up and now they need to make payments on their previously free debt.

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[–] cccc@aussie.zone 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Peertube, Nebula, Patreon, etc. You don’t have to use YouTube.

[–] zxo@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 year ago

Plus, Newpipe and the likes have been doing pretty well at getting around YouTube ads so far, it's just the main YouTube website that has been more problematic.

[–] iso@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Haven't seen that one on ublock origin + Firefox

[–] MushyMelon47@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same, I've seen posts saying it only affects people who use chrome

[–] CompassInspector@invariant-marxism.red 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Soon: "Sorry, only chrome is allowed. Please download chrome to access youtube"

[–] ralC@lemmy.fmhy.ml 19 points 1 year ago

It's more like google's style to release a brand new non-standard, insanely difficult to implement "standard" for "the web" which is "vital" for youtube to work. So then your browser is "not supported".

[–] imnotneo@vlemmy.net 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

what's the fediverse alternative to YouTube? seems like this is the way the 2020's are going

[–] EuphoricPenguin22@normalcity.life 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Oddysee is built on LBRY, which I believe is the closest thing. I think there's something else called PeerTube, but I'm not sure what it is exactly (haven't looked into it).

[–] abogical@lemmy.one 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I might be too pedantic, but Odysee/LBRY is a blockchain-based decentralized network. But its not federated and it doesn't use activitypub like Lemmy and mastodon. I would only call Peertube to be part of the fediverse.

[–] EuphoricPenguin22@normalcity.life 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not too pedantic at all; those are indeed two distinct ways of creating similar applications. In my opinion, federated alternatives are more appealing than those based on blockchain technologies. Federated networks are proving to provide a more palatable experience through hybrid decentralized centralization.

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[–] poorsocialskills@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago

The back and forth between YouTube and the adblock developers ought to get interesting.

[–] Nothus@infosec.pub 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Newpipe has been keeping up with the dance for a long time.

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[–] nickiam2@aussie.zone 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

NewPipe for android is still working. Much better than the official app IMO, no ads and it actually shows the videos you subscribed to.

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[–] Azceptit@lemmy.fmhy.ml 19 points 1 year ago

Internet doing a race to the bottom.

[–] Arodg25@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Greed didn't lead someone, this is a shareholder entity. Each shareholder doesn't even have to think about greed. The entity does it all for them. That's why companies can do horrible things and everyone can sleep at night. It's always the entity that did it not them. Shareholders are the root of all evil in this world today.

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[–] Arodg25@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Greed is what got me to the point of not wanting to watch any AD ever.

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[–] programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I will still use invidious while having muy subscriptions saved as RSS feeds so this change will go over my head

[–] mr_right@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

let me bring you up to speed a couple days ago YouTube legal team threatened invidious devs saying they are abusing their API ToS ( trems of service ) which the devs said that the claim does not hold any truth to it since invidious is just youtube proxy\scraper and does not depend on API

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[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

I really don't think it's greed. Can't blame em for trying to win the cat/mouse game of adblocking. I'm sure it's not the end of the world, and new ways to circumvent this will show up.

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[–] Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

FreeTube, Invidious, and Piped all seem to be fine. :)

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[–] Overexert1126@lemmy.fmhy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

YouTubeDL + Plex

Not so crazy anymore.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Greed? I mean they are not a charity and ads pay for the service. Don't get me wrong I use ad block but to call it greed..

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