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(link is to the Supreme Court's opinion document)

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[–] ulkesh 50 points 2 years ago (22 children)

It's quite okay to bail out corporations all day long (2008/2009 great recession, 2020 pandemic) to the tune of billions and billions of dollars, but don't even think of helping normal people. Ever.

This just proves it's VERY important to vote and allowing someone like Trump to have 3 court picks has clearly been disastrous in many decisions made by this court.

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[–] mustyOrange 49 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

My generation is so fucked. Between looming climate collapse, rising inequality, inaccessible housing market, it just feels like shit isn't worth even trying for.

We can't even get a small amount of our student loans discharged when prior generations paid basically nothing for them. And - let's not forget - how corps got all of their ppp shit written off. What a joke.

[–] alyaza 48 points 2 years ago (2 children)

We can’t even get a small amount of our student loans discharged when prior generations paid basically nothing for them. What a joke

the fact that it's a 6-3 decision is the real meme here. clearly signals that literally no argument would have convinced the conservative majority here--they will always strike this down. real change on this front necessitates making the court irrelevant or just ignoring it at this point.

[–] jim@programming.dev 17 points 2 years ago

Right across ideological lines. It seems unlikely to get politics and ideological beliefs out of the Supreme Court any time soon. The states had no standing in the first place, I'm surprised it didn't get thrown out just due to that.

The overreach by this court has been disasterous, especially in light of the unethical behavior by justices to accept gifts from would-be plantiffs without recusing themselves.

[–] mustyOrange 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Yep. Unless we pack the court or do something drastic, the US is screwed for decades.

Something has to change. Between the way our legislators are apportioned, to the way the EC works for the presidency, to the SC lifetime appointments, it just feels like theres no fucking hope

[–] Exaggeration207 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Either the Democrats need to make some big changes internally, or a third party is going to have to break up the current duopoly. The current Democratic party sucks, as an effective opposition to the Republicans. The GOP just keeps drifting further to the far-right, and the Democrats continue to compromise even though the demands are becoming more extreme. This drags the whole government toward more conservative policies, regardless of which party is winning the elections.

Change isn't going to happen when you have an aging centrist like Biden in the Oval Office. Governing by compromise is all he knows how to do. And yet, the Democrats still think they're "winning" even though the GOP is actively twisting their arm with every policy they try to pass. We need more people in Congress who are actually liberals, not centrists, and recognize that the current system isn't working for anyone outside outside of the 1%. Until that happens, the far-right is just going to keep turning up the heat, and the rest of the country is going to be stuck sitting there like a frog in a pot of water that is slowly being brought to a boil.

[–] mustyOrange 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Third parties fail in a fptp system unfortunately. The whole fucking system needs to be reworked. Whether that happens before everything falls apart is anyone's guess

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[–] Exaggeration207 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I refuse to believe this decision was influenced, in any way, by any actual consideration of the U.S. Constitution. There's no reasonable interpretation of that document which would provide sufficient justification to rule the relief plan unconstitutional. This was a political decision, pure and simple, by a government body that is supposed to be apolitical. Just like every other branch of government, the judiciary has become corrupted by billionaire donors and turned into a polarized mockery of its original intent. No wonder public opinion of the Supreme Court is in the toilet. They're no better than Congress these days.

[–] GraceGH 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Frankly, it was a mistake to ever consider the Supreme Court apolitical to begin with. Nobody is above politics, pretending not to play the game doesn't mean they weren't doing it. The Supreme Court needs to change, whether its through term limits or making them democratically elected.

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Any government or legal institution that's unelected with lifetime appointments is illegitimate. I said what I said.

[–] OneRedFox 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Agreed. The SCOTUS is an illegitimate political institution dependent on good faith participation, which is currently nowhere to be found. We need to pack the court and (eventually) abolish it. Our government institutions need to be designed to put power in the hands of regular people instead of oligarchs.

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[–] coolin 35 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I really hate the state of the Supreme Court atm. Looking back, it wasn't a legitimate institution from the beginning, but the current 6-3 court shows how flawed it is, being out of line with public opinion in loads of different cases and effectively legislating from the bench via judicial review.

The only reason it has gotten this bad, though, is because Congress has abdicated its responsibilities as a legislative body and left it more and more to executive orders and court decisions. The entire debate around the Dobbs decision could have been avoided if Dems codified abortion into law, and this one could have avoided too if our Congress actually went to work legislating a solution to the ongoing student loan and college affordability crisis.

I think we need supreme court reform. I'm particularly partial to the idea of having a rotating bench pulled randomly from the lower courts each term, with each party in Congress getting a certain amount of strike outs to take people off that they don't want, similar to the way jurors are selected. I also think the people should be able to overrule the court via referendum, because ultimately we should decide what the constitution says.

I just can't see this happening though, at least for multiple decades until the younger people today get into political power.

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[–] Pagliacci@lemmy.ml 32 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The major question doctrine acts as a “get-out-of-text-free card” that conservative justices make “magically appear” whenever they see an executive branch policy that goes against their ideological “goals,” Justice Elena Kagan wrote in a dissent in the 2022 case of West Virginia v. EPA.

Apparently legislating from the bench is fine for Conservatives as long as you make up your own judicial doctrine as justification.

I don't know how we fix the problems we face. The court is seated by politicians, Congress is seated by grifters and ideologues,, and the people are too defeated/controlled to make meaningful changes.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 10 points 2 years ago

Yeah. The Supreme Court wrote a lot in regards to the word "modify" without addressing the word "waive".

[–] Plus_a_Grain_of_Salt 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm full of rage, the law means nothing we have no rights, fuck the courts, any petty revenge I can pull to get some type of catharsis I will until the loans are paid off; so for the rest of my life. If anyone has any play to be of mild annoyance, let me know I have one purpose and it's to fuck shit up.

[–] CrimsonOnoscopy 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can always wheatpaste some anti capitalist propaganda, that's productive, nonviolent, and due to ease of removal may have lower fines if caught.

[–] Plus_a_Grain_of_Salt 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You know what, yes. I think I will do that, idc if I'm complaining to a void anymore, its unhealthy to keep all the rage inside. Better to plan civil disobedience than get swept up into a riot from it. At least all of these comments make my rage feel valid.

[–] CrimsonOnoscopy 5 points 2 years ago

We are all there with you.

[–] ryanlovescooljeans 24 points 2 years ago

Government by the 1%. For the 1%.

Disappointed but can't say I'm terribly surprised.

[–] mint 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That's cool I just won't pay them. What are you gonna do, not let me buy a house? Oh you mean some shit I'm not able to do anyways? Okay. :)

[–] AfterAll 12 points 2 years ago

the real answer is they'll garnish your wages

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[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’m blessed in that I was able to go to college for free, but I still think we should help out those who are drowning in debt. It’d be good for the economy too, more people would be able to spend money on luxuries rather then just on debt

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[–] irongamer 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Just in time for the republicans to blame Biden for the economic down turn late this year, early next year, after payments restart for 43 million.

[–] bird 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nooooooo.

Why can't we have anything nice???

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[–] AJYoung 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I’m sooooo disappointed, but also sooooo not surprised.

Legally, Biden did have weak legal ground, but also legally then the decision shouldn’t have been allowed because the states who sued had, with unanimous decision by the Supreme Court, no legal ground at all.

NPR reports that the Biden admin will have a response and plan announced soon.

[–] irongamer 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I listen to NPR but their impact statement is weak sauce... I'm sorry it sounds like 6 figure speak.

Impact: Roughly 1 in 8 Americans will have to restart loan payments as soon as September.

Nothing to see here folks, just move along. No, the impact is people choosing between food and meds, the mental burden of loans on their neck (after being told by every fiber of the US that education = more income), further inability to purchase housing, choosing between rent and living in a car.

But irongamer student loans didn't cause all that! No, they are just another shovel load of dirt on the grave of the American dream. Many of these individuals are increasing their education so they can afford food AND meds, or afford to own a home let alone rent these days. Many other individuals are increasing their education to move humanity forward in technology, humanities, and sciences.

But irongamer they took the loans on themselves! Sure, with the pressure of just about every fiber of the US saying get an education to make a difference or make more money. Worse yet are those that are attempting to help the country by continuing their education, only to have the system (honestly mostly republicans) spit on them during an event like a pandemic.

The timing is perfect for republicans to play their economic down turn card when repayments start late this year. Watch for that card late this year or early next year after 43 million repayments start.

So, folks get back to making payments to your yacht lord. Think of the poor fellow with 4 houses and the inability to exist in all of them at once! Weep for the individual that can already put food on the table and afford the meds to treat their ills.

It is just a loan restart... nothing to see here.

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[–] Dandylion 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm in my mid-40s and I didn't go to college -- I was one of the last generations where you didn't HAVE HAVE HAVE to have an advanced degree to qualify for something like an admin assistant position.

I truly hope that the younger generations take this as an opportunity to stand up for themselves and stop feeding into the notion that everyone needs advanced degrees. It's absurd. If no one has a degree, then they can't demand that people have degrees. Degrees should be for engineers, doctors, people with advanced careers. Past that, it's simply a money making scheme for colleges and a bullshit bill of goods that they're selling to people who cant, and shouldn't have to, pay for it.

[–] JDPoZ 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Framing here's a bit off. You shouldn't have to go to school - sure... as a requirement... but the big thing that's completely being missed (as we have been taught that college is for "fancy" jobs) is that in other decent countries... there is no cost to it.

Advanced educated populaces are seen by non - "authoritarian-run-shit-holes" as something that makes a country more economically competitive in an increasingly global job market.

Whether it's being paid to learn on the job training with a welding apprenticeship subsidized by taxes, or being able to go to medical school via tax-subsidized funds that don't create artificial barriers to entry for the poor for no other reason - it's a good thing for advanced education (and pre-school and every other form of education) to be publicly funded.

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[–] azureeight 11 points 2 years ago

What's that saying? Good luck getting blood from a stone...

[–] plopo@possumpat.io 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Looks like there’s at least some safety net from Biden. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/29/biden-safety-net-student-borrowers-00104131

Still, this whole decision is absurd. It’s sad that SCOTUS decisions are effectively bought and sold with this court.

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

EDIT: I have now had a chance to see Biden's televised statement. I understand he plans to switch modes and use the Higher Education Act to wipe away student debt. I take back what I said, that's at least still trying to fight for us, although I think he could still go further, like reducing interest rates to zero.

He should be dropping interest rates to zero. If this is his idea of a saving grace when his original promise didn't pan out, he's got another thing coming. This is a joke that makes it seem like he expected this outcome and didn't really have a problem with it.

When will these motherfuckers actually fight for us?

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[–] literallyacat@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

What horrors hath the Council of Six yet in store for us next

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