I find it hard to believe that all of the guards meant to be watching over a high-profile prisoner on suicide watch just happened to disappear at the same time the multiple cameras also meant to be watching over him failed, and those both happened to coincide with the period he's said to have killed himself.

Either it's unimaginably high levels of incompetence and neglect, or somebody paid off a bunch of people. Considering it was rich pedos who wanted him dead, I don't find the latter unreasonable to believe

[–] saigot@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah I think epstien killed himself, but I think its plausible someone enabled him to do that. But prisons are also grossly negligent and incompetent most of the time.

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I think it was conspiracy to commit suicide.

[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Never explain with malice what can equally well be explained by incompetence. I readily believe that the conditions in prison are awful, tech ain't working and people are not doing their jobs. In any other case everybody would believe that too. I also believe that someone who's sure he'll die or spend a very long time in prison will prefer suicide. If I've learned one thing from rich, influential people it's that they're not exactly competent and couldn't've pulled of a murder like this without people bragging about it left and right and leaving a massive paper trail. Sadly, the suicide is just the easier, more plausible explanation.

[–] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I am aware of Hanlon's razor, and usually do give benefit of doubt for exactly that reason. People are often just as, if not more stupid than they are malicious.

Having said that, it is just inconceivable to me that such grave incompetence would come about when the person in question is quite literally the golden ticket to apprehending the pedo-ring to end all pedo-rings.

I don't even necessarily disbelieve that he killed himself, the motives are there - but I do firmly believe that at the very least somebody greased palms to make sure there were no witnesses to prevent him taking his life when the opportunity arose. Given the amount if corruption amongst the police, that is certainly something I'm willing to believe

[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago

I don't believe any of that. To the people who actually handled him he was just another inmate and that's where the incompetence and apathy come in. There's been a lot of inmate deaths in the news recently, which strengthens my belief. For many people Epstein was important, but I don't think the grunts in prison gave a crap who he was.

[–] seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago

Not this shit again.

[–] Wage_slave@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

MAGA: But he was one of the good guys. Not like hunter bidens penis.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, he definitely killed himself

[–] kofe@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Occam's razor, tbh. The guards falling asleep and all that could still have been organized for him to follow through on his own plan. It's one of those things we may never know, but iono, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, and it's just not surprising to me that a very rich pedophile kills himself on his second attempt right after getting his lawyers to take him off suicide watch

[–] CeleryFC 3 points 1 year ago

Buttery males

[–] BellaDonna@mujico.org 2 points 1 year ago

It seems really obvious that it was either extra judicial "justice" that the guards and other parties conspired on, or he was put into a witness protection program for giving up contacts and this fact is so critical to take down trafficking rings that everyone must play along with him being dead.

I can't imagine other rational outcomes, he was high profile, and I absolutely expect Americans to think the vigilante justice is justifiable here, and lots of people would openly support that too. If he had compelling enough information on high profile individuals though, I can absolutely believe a deal was cut for his life, and his death faked.

[–] notenoughbutter@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I don't even know the guy

can we stop only posting irrelevant political memes?