I find it hard to believe that all of the guards meant to be watching over a high-profile prisoner on suicide watch just happened to disappear at the same time the multiple cameras also meant to be watching over him failed, and those both happened to coincide with the period he's said to have killed himself.

Either it's unimaginably high levels of incompetence and neglect, or somebody paid off a bunch of people. Considering it was rich pedos who wanted him dead, I don't find the latter unreasonable to believe

[–] saigot@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah I think epstien killed himself, but I think its plausible someone enabled him to do that. But prisons are also grossly negligent and incompetent most of the time.

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I think it was conspiracy to commit suicide.

[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Never explain with malice what can equally well be explained by incompetence. I readily believe that the conditions in prison are awful, tech ain't working and people are not doing their jobs. In any other case everybody would believe that too. I also believe that someone who's sure he'll die or spend a very long time in prison will prefer suicide. If I've learned one thing from rich, influential people it's that they're not exactly competent and couldn't've pulled of a murder like this without people bragging about it left and right and leaving a massive paper trail. Sadly, the suicide is just the easier, more plausible explanation.

[–] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I am aware of Hanlon's razor, and usually do give benefit of doubt for exactly that reason. People are often just as, if not more stupid than they are malicious.

Having said that, it is just inconceivable to me that such grave incompetence would come about when the person in question is quite literally the golden ticket to apprehending the pedo-ring to end all pedo-rings.

I don't even necessarily disbelieve that he killed himself, the motives are there - but I do firmly believe that at the very least somebody greased palms to make sure there were no witnesses to prevent him taking his life when the opportunity arose. Given the amount if corruption amongst the police, that is certainly something I'm willing to believe

[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago

I don't believe any of that. To the people who actually handled him he was just another inmate and that's where the incompetence and apathy come in. There's been a lot of inmate deaths in the news recently, which strengthens my belief. For many people Epstein was important, but I don't think the grunts in prison gave a crap who he was.