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Let's not pretend Musk has fucking clue what's going on or the science behind it.
He isn't down in trenches making discoveries. That's just the image he presents.
He buys companies and lets the actually competent people do the work while claiming credit.
He's been doing it since PayPal.
He's not a genius, he just has enough money to get actual geniuses to work for him.
Someone put it well, if insensitively, about Sam Bankman Fried (FTX etc):
Not actually smart but just LARP-ing the “Aspy genius” persona.
However accurate that take is or offensive, I think it captures something about how nerd culture has gone mainstream and how it’s perceived.
He buys companies and lets the actually competent people do the work while claiming credit.
No he doesn't. He meddles and interferes constantly and convinces himself that he's adding value by doing so. That's why Neuralink is dangerous. Meta or Alphabet or Microsoft or whoever can be trusted to let the scientists and the legal team ensure there's very little risk of everything blowing up in their face horribly. Elon's little empire is constantly on the verge of an absolute disaster. I would not be remotely surprised if Neuralink messes everything up so much that it sets back brain implants and BCI's in general by decades. Purely because Elon can't just supply the people at his businesses with the tools they need then get out of their way.
He buys companies and lets the actually competent people do the work while claiming credit.
Sometimes he actively interferes with those competent people too.
@Lmaydev @ajsadauskas
Peter Thiel sacked him as a PayPal boss?
He didn't "invent" Paypal.
It was formed by merging his company X with Confinity. All he did was profit off it but many people seem to think he created it.
To be clear, he did try to make them use his own work instead and it was awful so they pushed him out to protect the company.
LMFAO, I had no idea this wasn't even the first time he called his dumb company X. He really is obsessed with that letter.
X.com, SpaceX, now changing Twitter to X. Dude has an obsession
Don't forget his dumbass name for his child.
He was just looking for a reason to use the domain name I'm pretty sure.
@ajsadauskas @technology
I was astounded to read Neuralink is to be permitted to experiment on humans. Instead they should have any animal experiment licences revoked.
Whenever I see these Musk posts, I always think the title can usually be reduced to 3 or 4 words. In this case, "Elon shouldn't be trusted".
Whenever I see these Musk posts, I always marvel at how people seem to think one man builds spaceships, programs self-driving cars, pushes all the buttons on Twitter, and does all the research himself on monkeys.
Also true.
'Elon CAN'T be trusted.'
Headline:
TERRIBLE THINGS HAPPENED TO MONKEYS AFTER GETTING NEURALINK IMPLANTS, ACCORDING TO VETERINARY RECORDS
What are these terrible things?
Up to a dozen monkeys suffered grisly fates after receiving a Neuralink implant, including brain swelling and partial paralysis.
First is the case of the monkey "Animal 20." In December 2019, an internal part of the brain implant being inserted into the primate "broke off" during surgery. Later that night, the monkey scratched at the implant site, drawing blood, and yanked on the implant, partially dislodging it. Follow-up surgery discovered that the wound was infected, but that the placement of the implant prevented treatment. The monkey was euthanized the next month.
Before that, a female monkey designated "Animal 15" began to press her head against the ground after receiving the brain implant, pick at the site until it bled, and eventually lost coordination, shivering when personnel entered the room. Scientists discovered she had brain bleeding, and in March 2019, she too was euthanized.
The following year, a primate called "Animal 22" was put down in March 2020 after its brain implant became so loose that the screws attaching it to the skull "could easily be lifted out," according to a necropsy report.
"The failure of this implant can be considered purely mechanical and not exacerbated by infection," the necropsy states.
As Wired notes, that statement alone seemingly contradicts Musk's claims that no monkeys directly died from Neuralink brain implants.
And so would the account of an ex-Neuralink employee, who told Wired that Musk's claims that the monkeys were already terminally ill are "ridiculous," even a "straight-up fabrication."
"We had these monkeys for a year or so before any surgery was performed," the ex-employee said.
The testimony of an anonymous scientist conducting research at CNPRC seems to corroborate the ex-employee's allegations.
"These are pretty young monkeys," they told the magazine. "It's hard to imagine these monkeys, who were not adults, were terminal for some reason."
@ajsadauskas @technology I was just going to ask the Theranos/Holmes question.
Theranos went down because Holmes was trying to run the same tired start-up scam all the big boys pull but within the confines of the medical industry. She would have succeeded if she had picked something non medical. The FDA doesn't fuck around. If Elon thinks he's smart enough to pull the same shit he's going to "find out" too.
I really, really hope this is the case. I’d love to see him pay some serious consequences, especially if it’s the result of his own arrogance.
Once he'll start losing investors' money his lies will catch up to him. Nobody's asking questions as long as line goes up.
I feel like this is all a given. How they're legally able to proceed with human testing is just baffling to me.
Elon has a history of lying that's as rich as he was before he bought Twitter.
I think Elmo should just volunteer himself.
Doesnt that guy lie about everything?
He's a lying piece of shit. Full stop.
Didn't we already go through this with Whatsername and her fake blood tests?
Didn't we already go through this with Whatsername and her fake blood tests?
Maybe read more than the title before commenting? I know, it's a novel concept.
People quite rightly think of Elizabeth Holmes as a fraud for making false medical claims about what the Theranos machines could do. So why aren't Elon's claims at Neuralink being held to the same level of scrutiny?
That's horrible, and also confirms what I said just the other day, who would trust him putting an implant in your brain, not me, and I already have brain damage.
Also does this remind of some news not that far back about the doomed titanic sub, similar story, ignorance of reality, shortcuts, and then failure.
Same thing, and he wants to test with people, this is just crazy, he should never be given the right to do so.
In this thread, I talked about it.
@ajsadauskas @autolycos @technology Because he has the most money. Because any who should hold him accountable have their hand in his pocket. Because he has government contracts with every single one of his businesses. He is a monster created by those who are supposed to protect us from the monsters. It is not remotely possible to control him. He is the worst case scenario.
I wonder what you guys thought animal testing is about, if this is somehow surprising to you. This is just another day at the office for the people running these experiments. The issue is not "Elon doing animal testing" but animal testing in itself.
However - if you think we shouldn't do it then you should also be aware of the tradeoffs. Without this cruelty there's no modern medicine either. Also, if you complain about this but eat meat then you're a hypocrite.
I don't think the sentiment of this discussion is concern that this type of test happens. I think the concern is that the outcome of these tests has been misreported prior to beginning human trials.
@ajsadauskas @technology
The only reason something happened to Deep Voice Barbie was because some Very Important People were publicly embarrassed by their association with, and gullibility of her.
This is literally Ryujin Industries.
@ajsadauskas @technology The same with #AI and #Fusion reactors, everybody know they are lying but banksters like them. They are all men fraudsters.