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[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 63 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why are women's nipples considered unacceptable anyway? It seems really sexist in my opinion to say that male nipples are acceptable but female ones aren't

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 33 points 1 year ago

You answered your own question there - sexism and patriarchy, which need women as objects and property, not individuals worthy of individual freedoms.

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In a decent number of countries, they are pretty relaxed. You go there, you see nipple (or dick) for 5 seconds, it's notable, then it fades into the background. People are just anal-retentive about it because of religion and family culture.

[–] SnipingNinja@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago

Some people enjoy being anal-retention to dicks, I am unsure about the logistics of doing that with a nipple

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

It wasn't actually the nipple, it was the breast.

But as it's a gradual transition and cleavage, side-boob, underboob, straps and pasties have become normalized, the nipple is the only part left to define as the subject of the "issue", as it's the most distinguishable, visually separate and definable part.

The conservative prudes would prefer a more comprehensive ban, but struggle immensely in legally defining the line of "okay/not okay" in a court of law. They find it much easier to enforce certain clothes as legally obligatory for women, but there's very little support for that kind of oppression in most parts of the world.

[–] pushka@kbin.social 43 points 1 year ago (6 children)

and when someone transitions... it's ... the /same/ nipple, but it used to be illegal and unseemly - but now is perfectly legal to show everywhere ,,, strange.....

[–] Maestro@kbin.social 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've seen a surgery documentary on TV about transitioning. They showed the surgeon doing the breast surgery. It was all uncensored, nipples and all, until the very second the doc put the silicone bag under the skin. Then they pixelated the nipple. The same nipple they were showing all along.

[–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I once saw a Japanese arse eating video like that, no pixelation until the tongue touched the rim, then pixelated as if we didn't know what was happening.

[–] deo 5 points 1 year ago

Came here to tell the same story. They used to play some crazy shit on TLC before the reality show takeover.

[–] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] lemann@lemmy.one 11 points 1 year ago

For the other way round it would be vice versa, which is even more funny IMO - all of a sudden showing your previously legal nipples in public is now illegal

[–] ShittyKopper@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago

idea: cover post-transition nipple with pre-transition nipple

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[–] tty84@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, and all nipples are not equal.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'd love to know how you think this is relevant to op?

[–] tty84@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because we are talking about unacceptable female nipple, isn't it?

Or maybe the problem isn't the nipple itself, but the context in which it's shown.

And, after all, your are still free to put OP's male nipple on these pictures :)

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Or maybe the problem isn’t the nipple itself, but the context in which it’s shown.

In the meme you posted, the context of the photo on the left is basically sexual assault (one person exposing another without their consent), and the meme itself implies that the (justified) reaction to it is overblown, as if it is comparable to someone willingly exposing themselves.
It is not.
The meme is a really bad take in its own right, and has nothing to do with free the nipple.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How is the meme on the right non consensual? That lady is smiling in the photo and people from Africa are not fucking idiots. They know they're being photographed for National Geographic. She clearly does not give a fuck.

[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The right one implies consent, the left one doesn't that's why it's wrong because the meme implies that both are similar and thus the reaction to the left was overblown, which is wrong because the context is completely different.

If they're trying to imply Janet Jackson was sexually assaulted over a simple accident that literally happened live on TV that no one could anticipate or stop, then I don't know what to tell them.

Did Janet Jackson ask for the wardrobe malfunction photos to be erased from the internet?

[–] Dontfearthereaper123@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They r looking at the camera, African people know what a camera does.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where the fuck did I even imply they don't???

[–] Dontfearthereaper123@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

When u said it was non consensual. If I'm nude and look at a camera smiling, I think that implies there was prior consent.

[–] incendiaryperihelion@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

thinking for half a second ought to catch you up bud

[–] Compactor9679@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago
[–] BuddyTheBeefalo@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Cyberwitch_7493@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for the article OP, but it's got a clickbatey headline, it doesn't actually answer what took so long (or investigate why they made the change in the first place.)

[–] BuddyTheBeefalo@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think it was a rhetorical question.

I posted it because they point out the problems with this unequal body censorship and show that things are hopefully changing.

With the shift to Lemmy, instances and communities could stand with the 'free the nipple' movement. Let's be the change.

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 year ago

Not only are female breasts legal where I live IRL, many Lemmy communities consider them SFW under non-sexual conditions. Godspeed everybody, free the nipple!

[–] DNOS@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How can we be sure .... what if we all use it and later discover we have been banned since this nipple comes from a wonderful wemen uhh ...

[–] ARk@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

That would just mean we weren't gay

[–] shiveyarbles 4 points 1 year ago

This is very helpful, what a kind gesture