Literally the only thing I can agree with sunak on. Good.
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It's just a distraction from the UK's anemic growth. Obviously he has done nothing that worked for the economy, and the conservatives have no ideas. The UK GDP has basically not grown since 2007.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?locations=GB&start=2007
Not everything is a distraction tactic
This is. Conservatives were elected to help the economy in 2010 and have managed less than 2% growth since then. I have no idea why they weren't thrown out on their asses after Brexit, but maybe the British public love pain and misery?
Do you think someone from Central Office went out and sneakily set dogs on people to savage them and set the news agenda? Or is it just possible these the spate of attacks and subsequent uproar, with pressure that Something Must Be Done occurred without political machinations?
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In a word "Corbyn".
Without a doubt it is a dead cat issue (no pun intended). Sunak doesn't give a rat's anus about the people of the UK. There is plenty of evidence that his interests are purely financial and self motivated. But that doesn't deflect that there is an issue, and yet again they are making pointless legislation to deal with it.
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A total waste of time. Banning breeds has proven to be totally ineffective in the past. The common sense approach would be to make it mandatory to muzzle dogs over a certain size.
There are massive differences between implementing a ban on pit bulls in a single city (Denver) and across an entire nation (the UK). The US is such a mess of federal, state, county, etc. laws that it is difficult to enforce such a law, but in the UK, it’s much easier.
Honestly I’d go a lot further and ban all breeds with significant health issues as well, to be honest.
It is just as difficult and ineffective in the UK. They just breed in new types of dogs. The XL breed is a cross breed with a pit bull terrier which is already on a banned breed list.
I would be for banning breeds with health issues. I would also ban all dog shows that promote dog breed types into the bargain. You will never stop idiots who follow celebrities, but dog shows are an easy fix, and a major reason people buy pedigrees in the first place.
Absolutely agree with you about banning dog shows. I am sure that there are valid criticisms of breed specific bans, but the article you linked wasn’t very persuasive at all, it was really clearly biased and had many weak arguments. Of the various claims made, I looked deeper into a few of them and found that the article was quite misleading. For example, it mentions that the Netherlands repealed a pit bull ban, with the implication being that they instead treat all breeds equally… but that’s just not true, because the Netherlands still classified pit bulls as a dangerous breed, and dogs classed as dangerous need to go through state mandated testing or be euthanised, which is a lot more work and much more cruel than the UK’s dangerous dogs legislation.
I’m open to hearing good criticism from a perspective of improving outcomes but surely we can do better than that americentric article
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Nah mate, these dogs are fucking disgusting freaks. I've been chased by one before - quite frankly, I don't give a fuck what your research says.
My point was that all dogs are dangerous. Selecting breeds shows total lack of understanding. It is how the dog is reared that causes the issues. Since you cannot evaluate that by looking at a dog then it makes more sense to add a safety device for all dogs.
"how it was reared"
You lost me there. These are breeds with an inherent nature to kill and maim. They're freaks, mutants, and now thankfully to be banned.
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all dogs are dangerous
Okay, how many deaths are there due to Chihuahua? I will concede that it is perhaps biologically possible for them to bite off the finger of an infant, which could in theory be fatal, but the odds are pretty fucking slim.
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Totally not a biased source, with no actual statistics or studies to back them up - ah right. We have much fewer dog attacks and especially fatal dog attacks in the UK than the US.
This report gives the opinions of expert behaviourists and consultants on the reasons why some dogs may be aggressive towards people. Of the 215 experts who responded, some 74% argued that breed was either not at all important or only slightly important, whilst an overwhelming 86% believed it was due to the way that the dog was brought up by its owner.
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/90096/html/
The law on dangerous dogs refers to specific breeds of dog as ‘dangerous’. However, we believe that breed-specific legislation ignores the most important factors that contribute to biting incidents – primarily anti-social behaviour by irresponsible dog owners who train their dogs to be aggressive or do not train their dogs adequately.
https://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/about-us/campaigns/dangerous-dogs-deed-not-breed/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/11/banning-some-dog-breeds-in-the-uk-wont-stop-attacks-on-humans - study in comments
There is a ton of research on the issue.
Data were gathered via owner report using an online survey […] advertised online (via Facebook and relevant dog/breed specific groups, Twitter, pet fora, via the UK Kennel Club”
Such science, very wow
Holy fuck lol
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Opinions by "experts" are not actual science.
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Curious to know what they intend to do with the Bully XLs currently owned legally.
Same as when they last banned a breed. They must all be registered, muzzled, and neutered. If not, fines/seizure and possible imprisonment of the owner.
Good.
There are no dangerous dogs, only scum bag abusive Humans.
Finally. Took them long enough.
Read this as some new version of American bulldogs. Glad to know it's not the same breed.
I hadn't heard the term either until recently, and had to look it up. An American bully is a cross between pit bulls and bulldogs. A bully XL is the largest variant.
The breed is not an officially-recognized one, so definitions are a bit fuzzy.
Ok, but how is it going to be enforced?
Here's the neet part it won't same as the pitbull ban even if we get defined breeding standards and it works they'll just mix something like Canie Corso's or something else that they will then abuse to the point it'll be a weapon
They don’t need to define the breeding as being a cross between x and y breeds, but as a set of characteristics for example. I’m not an expert in dog breeding but I’m sure a group of experts could come up with a definition that isn’t overly broad but also defies workarounds
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Of course, the people who abuse their dogs to the point of become dangerous will just move on the next breed.
Playing whack-a-mole isn't ever effective policy. Before this breed it was pitbulls, after this breed it'll just be something else.
Dog attacks won't stop unless we ban all dogs, stop people who abuse animals to the point of of being dangerous from owning dogs, or stop people from wanting to abuse animals to the point of being dangerous.
That said, this isn't a harmful policy, just an ineffective one. If you want to own a dog, for good or ill, there are plenty of other breeds out there.
The difference is that other breeds aren't quite as dangerous, and so won't kill or maim as many people.
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Dog attacks won’t stop unless we ban all dogs
This’s is where I issue my standard challenge to find the statistics on fatalities cause by dachshund attacks
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