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[–] hoodatninja@kbin.social 83 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I mean it kind of needs to be both. But it’s hard to find a compelling reason why kids need their smartphones fully accessible during class.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Well, you can quickly search up some information. I don't remember what it was, but I remember that once in middle school teacher said something I wasn't quite sure about, but also I wouldn't ask if I wasn't more sure. So I looked it up, seeing that I was right, I asked if it rather wasn't meant to be that other thing, he checked too and indeed he was wrong.

Also, my mind often wanders off. And it may happen that I suddenly can't remember something. Could just be some word I could look up on my phone in less than a minute. Option B: Keep thinking about it till the rest of the class. I can't stop thinking about that until I either remember or find it.

Next, spine. I am currently in high school. Phones are allowed here. Any time. So, I utilized my scanner and digitized one 500 or so page book I couldn't find on the internet, and then used it as PDF instead of a physical book. It is less likely that I would forget my phone. I wish schools would have options for e-ink tablets instead of having to carry many heavy physical books. That used to be problem mostly in elementary school and middle school. Same goes for note taking.

Obviously, the last example can be easily solved by modernization.

Fast talking teachers. I can't write that fast. I mean, I can, but then I can't decipher my handwriting, which is already hard anyway. Voice recorder is a quick solution. Obviously, it is easier to look through notes than audio, but IT IS NOT MEANT TO BE A REPLACEMENT FOR NOTES, just a help.

But do take that with a pinch of salt. Especially in elementary school, I used to be one of those weird kids who greatly preferred being liked by the teacher over having friends. So even though I had a phone at the time, I never used it during classes because teachers disliked it.

But at least during breaks it should be allowed. Otherwise kids will find much more dangerous ways to entertain themselves.

[–] hoodatninja@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you want to teach kids how to look up information, you can create spaces for that. They don’t need unrestricted access to their smart phones to accomplish that throughout the day. Hell you can relax your policies as they grow up and show the maturity to handle having a smart phone in the classroom. If schools want to do that, I am all in favor of it. But they would have to start early and build a system, which is a lot to ask of already overworked educators.

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[–] Nobsi@feddit.de 56 points 1 year ago

"oh no i cannot play on my phone, how could school be so cruel"

[–] ShranTheWaterPoloFan@startrek.website 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What would you prefer the school do?

How could they motivate you to actually pay attention in class instead of playing with your phone? Honestly ask yourself if this "addressing motivation" would make geometry more interesting than tiktok.

[–] cabbagee@sopuli.xyz 34 points 1 year ago

Well said. Social media is designed specifically to hold attention and encourage addictive behavior. There's no way to compete.

[–] radioactiveradio@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe if they used blender(the software) to explain it.

[–] SHITPOSTING_ACCOUNT@feddit.de 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If they try to use a blender (the kitchen appliance), I'm sure it will also become interesting.

[–] Rootiest@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The blending will continue until morale improves

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[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can try to make the material interesting and be engaging but if you're watching Overwatch on your phone all of that is a moot point.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago

but if you're watching Overwatch

You can just take away their phone in that case, no?
Not sure about OP, but my point is that phones can be useful. But if they're clearly not...

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

OP take a look back at this in about 5-10 years and realize how monumentally ignorant it is.

[–] BigNote@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

I don't think OP is thinking that far into their future. I don't think OP has any plans for higher education either. It's been a few decades for me, but when I was an undergrad, if your pager went off in class --cell phones weren't really a thing yet-- most professors would ask you to leave, which was not a good thing in the small upper division classes as they were very difficult and you had to pass with a B or better to move on in my major.

[–] DRUMS_@reddthat.com 40 points 1 year ago

Wrong. Get off the phone.

[–] jaackf@lemm.ee 34 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The amount of times I told my students they can use their phone for certain exercises, then 90% of them just went on Tiktok or played Clash Of Clans, is why is started not allowing phones.

I get that to the 10% it was super helpful but it's just easier to not allow everyone.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, at least you gave them a chance. Thank you.

[–] jaackf@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

I'm all for giving them a chance to prove they're able to be responsible. Especially the kids that always try hard and deserve to be trusted.

I found that a lot of kids struggled to accept any consequences of their actions, though taking their phones off them for playing games was pretty clear to them.

[–] Swallowtail 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It would be funny if people were forced to do something akin to mandatory military service but for working at a school as a paraprofessional or other aide for a little while. I feel like most people really have no idea how much teachers have to juggle and deal with on a daily basis. Come see how my kids behave when left to their own devices and then judge me.

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[–] someguy@lemmyland.com 32 points 1 year ago (15 children)

If schools only focused on what students were motivated to learn, I'm not sure schools would really be accomplishing much. Not to say that schools shouldn't foster motivation in students. Just that technology, especially social media, is very effective at distracting people.

[–] fidodo@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You can increase motivation to learn by making lessons more engaging even if it's a subject they're not personally interested in. But making lessons more interesting and engaging is not easy and we can't expect all teachers to have the skills and resources to do the research and development needed to produce lesson plans that are really interesting. I think it could be improved by putting more money into developing interesting lesson plans centrally and distributing the materials to teachers to follow instead of just producing dry curriculums. Teachers need support.

[–] AMuscelid@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have literally built a dungeons and dragons campaign to learn statistics, and had some students on their phones. I'm not a dancing bear, and having a dopamine panic-button makes it near impossible to engage with anything challenging (I struggle with it too and know it's an anxiety crutch, but it's super maladaptive).

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[–] BossDj@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But also, screen addiction is very real

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[–] Four_lights77@lemm.ee 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

School will never be as interesting as a phone. Your teacher will never be as entertaining as an influencer. Your textbooks will never be as entertaining as your feed. What families and teenagers have to understand is that education is a choice. If you want to learn, you’ll probably have to put your phone down for long periods of time to actively listen and learn. It’s difficult. It tires you out. It’ll frustrate you. But you will eventually learn.

Then again - when I look at home prices and inflation, I understand young people’s feelings of futility.

Good luck young people. I’m really rooting for you to figure this out.

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[–] calzone_gigante@lemmy.eco.br 22 points 1 year ago

I agree that the school environment should be more motivating, but there's no way to compete with apps and games designed to be addictive, even adults have trouble avoiding their phones at work.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The motivation problem isn't the school's fault, it's yours. You choose to not want to learn.

[–] noobnarski@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh yeah I totally needed to learn about what a writer might have thought 200 years ago while writing EVERY SINGLE PAGE of his book, when I already knew that I wanted to do something with technology.

But we didnt have enough teachers for biology and physics and chemistry, so instead we got more literature.

I wonder where I (and our whole society) would be now if schools werent meant for preparing kids to transition into work, but instead about getting the full potential out of every kid.

Im German and I did learn English in school, but not really, because it was taught in a way that made me lose interest immediately.

I actually learned English when I started to watch Minecraft Youtubers in English because they had some interesting contraptions in their videos or something like that (Its been a while, I dont know exactly why I started watching them)

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago

If you think studying literature is to teach you literature, you're sorely mistaken. Similar to if you think you study mathematics to learn mathematics.

You are taught literature so you can better communicate with other people. What is the author's intention with this passage? What are they trying to say? What might their motivations be? Now apply this to a letter from a potential business partner or a politician's tweet and you might begin to see how what you were taught becomes relevant.

Why are you taught grammar? Who cares whether you use the Oxford comma or not? Who has the need to know what mood, theme, and figurative language are? Apply this in the context of trying to write a professional email to your boss or trying to tell a story to engage other people, and maybe you'll start to see that it wasn't worthless.

Why do we need to know the way to prove that the angles of a triangle add up to 180? Who needs to know the Quadratic formula and how to apply it? It's so you know how to think rationally and apply logic rigourously, so you don't fall into familiar logical traps that we see on the evening news and the Internet every day.

Why do you need to know how cells reproduce? Why do we need to know how the pH scale works? It's so when people on Facebook claim that vaccines erase your DNA or that alkaline water prevents cancer, you'll know better.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not taking enough literature and humanities is how we end up with Elon. Every little wannabe engineer who thinks they shouldn't have to take a humanities course should be smacked in the face by a physics demonstration.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago

Why does anyone buy this bullshit?

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[–] YourAverageKirbyFan@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is just a weird comparison

[–] rgb3x3 10 points 1 year ago

Neither one really has anything to do with the other.

In fact, I'd say getting rid of phones could help improve motivation because when students are more focused on school, they're more motivated and perform better.

This meme was made by a middle schooler who doesn't understand the higher-level decisions being made by educators.

[–] sculd 16 points 1 year ago

Multiple studies have shown that smartphone decrease concentration, and have negative impact on emotional well being in adolescents.

The mere presence of a smartphone reduces basal attentional performance https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-36256-4

Brain Drain: The Mere Presence of One’s Own Smartphone Reduces Available Cognitive Capacity https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/691462

Attention or Distraction? The Impact of Mobile Phone on Users' Psychological Well-Being https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8093572/

Mobile phone use, behavioural problems and concentration capacity in adolescents: A prospective study https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1438463916300645

[–] eldain@feddit.nl 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Not only kids struggle with this, adults too. I've seen restaurant visits where everyone puts their phone on a pile on the table, first one to ring pays the bill. Otherwise Billy couldn't stop texting his controlling partner all night.

There is more research to be done, but so far this might be a good thing: https://www.verywellmind.com/how-do-smartphones-affect-the-brain-2794892

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[–] TeryVeneno@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Something I’ve found to have worked well in the past is phone breaks. It helps regulate phone usage and makes students far more likely to pay attention, myself included. The teachers that had the most success gave us phone breaks. Regulation and breaks > punishments.

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[–] NaoPb 9 points 1 year ago

Even before phones schools were like this. But they'd just put you in mandatory extra classes to fix your grades. Instead of, you know, talking to you. To get to know how you are doing and how you're feeling.

I've hated my school time and all it taught me is teachers are obsessed with having power over others. Maybe not all teachers, but a lot are like this. They won't listen to you, they just force their opinion on you. And if you don't do well in their pre-made lecturing framework then it's on you because you don't pay attention and you are lazy. It's never on them.

[–] variants@possumpat.io 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Second slide makes the first one possible but will still take effort beyond that

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[–] LoamImprovement 6 points 1 year ago

I think addressing low motivation levels is beyond the scope of the school's ability to affect things. When I was in high school I remember not caring about much of anything because I was convinced that even though I was almost certainly going to college, I would still just end up in a 'passionless bullshit make-work dead end job' like my parents, working long hours just to eke out a meager living, enough to keep getting back in the goddamn hamster wheel, and that really sapped my will to do anything productive. I ended up being completely right but I'm lucky enough to be living in this era of realization that work in the states is inherently bullshit, and that I make enough money to pursue passions outside of my 8-6.

[–] A10@kerala.party 5 points 1 year ago

Next level update your /etc/hosts to point time wasting websites to localhost

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