Prepare for the 14year Olds on hexbear to come in and pretend that China has a great government
this post was submitted on 02 Sep 2023
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You know, that actually makes sense. 14-year-olds. It would explain a lot about hexbears.
Yeah, the Chinese government is totally very democratic and is receptive to the criticism of its citizens! They never censor words and topics they don't like on their social media platforms!
It also respects women so much and represents them very proportionally
Also they don't censor any single website internationally
Just got banned from Hexbear for saying something negative about China and the US at the same time. They have no tolerance of any discussion that challenges their preconceptions.
My feed got a lot less irritating when I blocked posts from CyberGhost.
imagine lemmy if we could user-level defederate lemmygrad & hexbear
paradise
It's such a fucking pain in my ass to have to block every single community from Lemmygrad and Hexbear. I'm so tired of seeing their dumbass 7th grade love of fascists and racism.
alongside having to block all the users that intrude on other subs to post their tankie propaganda
If youre on Android, the connect app has a block instance feature
One of the many things I love about Blahaj is that we're no longer federated with Hexbear, there was a bit (frankly a shit ton)of drama getting there but those days when we were federated I blocked more Hexbear users than users from any other instance.
Join us on Blahaj, we're explicitly queer friendly and we don't have to deal with Hexbear anymore.
Of course once we can migrate accounts that will likely be a far easier sell.
Blocking chapo and news was really good for me.
I'm guessing you're an anarchist, which I appreciate and so I totally understand why you may not like these instances, but do you ever feel like some of the people criticizing Lemmygrad and Hexbear are Right-wingers themselves?
I fully support Leftist critiques but some of these claims are kind of wild. Someone claiming hexbear is racist? How would it be racist, from a Leftist perspective? It just seems to me like Right-wingers are attacking them with these ridiculous claims to get them to be defederated or at least to get people to stay away and not understand the humor. If someone critiqued them for defending the State when communism should include the dissolution of the State apparatus, the recuperation of initially revolutionary movements by global capitalism, etc. then I'd appreciate the Leftist critiques but it doesn't seem to me to be the case. And it doesn't seem to me like there is any monolithic position at hexbear either. I actually was further pleasantly surprised to see they had an anarchism community and also a Christianity community at hexbear, it doesn't feel to me like they have a hard Stalinist party-line and don't accept differences among the Left.
I do get the feeling they don't like Right-wingers though.
I'm just gonna talk about your first paragraph. No they are not right wingers lmao. I fucking hate that you can't be centrist or democratic socialist without some asshole (not you, you're just asking) saying you're a right winger.
I believe the west has better equality, stability, quality of life, rights, morals, so and and so forth.
And I think we need to greatly expand our social programs.
However if I defend the west then suddenly I'm a right winger? Fuck off with that classification shit. I just don't subscribe to Russia and China somehow being better then the US or the west in any sort of way.
This is why these social movements never get any movement in the US. They're too busy self hating and worshipping facists in the East.
Thanks for your response and I appreciate the thought you put into it. I agree we need to greatly and desperately expand social programs. I also don't think Russia or China are perfect, much less socialist, but I wouldn't say the West—including the US—is categorically and unquestionably better in every sort of way. That being said, the Left does need to be broader in the West and everywhere else, which is why I think I'd rather hold solidarity with Leftists in these instances who I may not fully agree with rather than attacking them alongside Right-wingers and fascists.
And, sorry, but, no offense, a centrist is a Right-winger to me and it proves my point.
My point is I'm only a right winger in a small niche bubble which is completely not the reality of things.
To most of the world I'm a lefty and to actual right wingers they would probably call me a communist (and sure incorrectly but not my point).
Right winger means maga idiot to most of the ppl in the US not democrat who wants to greatly expand our social programs and nets.
Fair enough. I do think there is a popular misunderstanding among the general public about political theory as well as political labels so maybe you shouldn't take that as justification for anything, but I can admit there is gatekeeping and puritanism that happens among the Left in terms of letting people into particular parties/collectives but also in terms of labels in general.
In my opinion, the baseline is that any actual Leftist wants the abolition of Capitalism. If you don't support the abolition of private property as capital, then you are not a Leftist.
Centrists and Democratic Socialists have not been great examples of Leftists to me so I assume anyone who unironically identifies as such is more aligned with the center-Right (i.e., supports the existence of Capitalism but with reforms).
What you are describing is called "campism" in socialist communities which aren't run by edgy teenagers and trolls.
Hexbear unironically defends Russia, which is an extremely racist and homophobic place. Likewise, China is also an extremely racist place, which is increasingly opposed to LGBT advocacy as "western degeneracy." And of course, they fall over themselves to defend tyranny, as long as it pays lip service to socialist ideals, while denigrating social democrats as insincere "shit libs." Then they post their little arms crossed emoji thinking they've made some point.
By and large these people are children who legitimately have an extremely narrow view of the world they seek to critique. They see Lenin write that "imperialism is something everyone other than Russia does" and that's about as far as they look into the underlying philosophy of imperialism.
Well, I'm not going to comment on Russia's imperialism being supported on Hexbear because I haven't quite seen that as much as I've seen critique of Ukraine's issue with Nazism and the West's hypocritical denialism about that even existing as an issue in Ukraine—when during Euromaidan it was acknowledged. I don't support Putin or the invasion, because while there are Nazis in Ukraine who should be dealt with the same could be said about Russia or the US itself, but I also don't think the US is being smart by arming fascist Right-wingers. The US has done this before and it never works out well.
I don't quite see the racism argument though. Hexbear is racist because some people support Russia? I mean, yeah, Russia can definitely be racist and maybe some people at Hexbear probably support Russia in an uncritical way. But lacking any racist memes or racist discussions happening, of which I've seen none, I don't think that equates to the users or the instance being racist. The US and Europe are extremely racist societies, I would argue way more racist than Russia, but I don't see people arguing that instances with liberals who support the US are racist instances and should be defederated.
Oh, no, most of the critique, especially of lemmygrad, is from a right wing stance (right wing from an anarchist prospective). There are are plenty of good conversations to be had about the role of activism and the state in achieving liberation. But the standard critique is a knee jerk reaction.
I blocked those two hexbear comnunities because they are the most likely to insert hexbear's wild and unpleasant meme culture into my timeline. They aren't terribly interested in any discussion that doesn't start and end with their viewpoint, cause its meme culture.
I have an 60% confidence I will get sea-lioned for this comment. Also a 20% chance I will get pig poop balls, although highlighting it may increase those odds
edit: after 5 hours I did not get sea-lioned. I admit I was overly critical in that estimate.
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It's coming, likely in the next Lemmy update.
What is Lemmygrad and Hexbear? Is that something I'm too much of a [lemmy.ca] user to understand?
(/jk yes I know what they are, this is my attempt at a "Am I too [Insert Nationality] to understand?" joke. Come joins us btw, lemmy.ca, sopuli.xyz are both good options.)
Or simply choose a instance that defederates fascists and authoritarian loving dipsshits. Never had a problem here with far right or tankie content.
In Connect it gives you the option of banning the instance. It will block out comments with a message that is was filtered. You get the option of viewing the content anyway, If you feel like it.
On sync for Lemmy you can block instances by putting it in it's filter list.
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What’d I miss?
To summarize: More tankie bullshit
So many hexbear users here lmao
The_Donald of the Left.
Holy shit. Too bad instances can't defederate HB. They seem to not understand that they're tankies.
As they get banned from more instances, the instances they are not banned at start seeing a higher concentration of them.
Tankies forget that Trotsky existed.
Tankies forget that anything that isn't stalinism is also considered socialist
*authoritarian, not fascist. There is a difference.
*authoritarian, not fascist. There is a difference.
When authoritarians are in power long enough, whatever ideology the revolution the previous generation had gets replaced by an emphasis of simply maintaining power through whatever means necessary. And fascism is the easiest way to accomplish that.
We can debate over whether Mao was really socialist or whatever, but he's dead it doesn't much matter now. The CCP today is accepting of billionaires, capitalism is legal, labour unions are illegal, the leadership is misogynistic, oppressive towards minorities, promotes the "century of humiliation" narrative. Oh and people live in fear of another Tienanmen Square style massacre. Whatever China was in the past, it's fascist today.
And Russia? WTF are leftist (or so they claim) weirdos going on about there? The Soviet Union collapsed and was replaced with a capitalist democracy which became fascist under Putin's regime.
There's this weird thing where so-called leftists think that if some kind of socialism existed on a patch of earth then they need to carry water whatever fascist that's ruling over that patch of earth today.
Ah yes, the tyranny of small differences. Let us tear each other apart over this trifling distinction.
Fact; fascism falls under the larger umbrella of authoritarianism.
400 comments and I’m going to read none of them
Significantly fewer for me. I smell hexbear
I agree. Fascist countries like Denmark, Germany and Canada often get called "socialist" and they have been disastrous for the reputation of socialism.
You are certainly American but that's especially stupid, is it a troll?
I think its sarcasm
Would you like more resources or is this enough?
https://www.businessinsider.com/denmark-strict-immigration-policies-ghetto-neighborhoods-2018-7
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/03/16/denmarks-mismatched-treatment-syrian-and-ukrainian-refugees
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/08/18/germany-afd-polls-krah/
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Link to the original meme?
How did i end up in memecirclejerk?
another American who doesn't understand sociadism
oh no the tankies be tanking
I'm not the one telling others they "don't know shit" on a meme sub.
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