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[–] southernwolf@pawb.social 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fairphone brings a much better device to market with better cameras, a better screen, likely a better chip, open hardware specifications and modularity, a completely unlockable bootloader (with likely support for CalyxOS and other ROM's shortly), and up to 8 years of software support(!), but people say they won't get it because no headphone jack...

MFW people have their priorities extremely mixed up... That's been the world now for 6 years, it's time to get over it. Letting perfect be the enemy of good is how you decide to throwaway something as good as what Fairphone seems to be offering. Sony still offers Android devices with headphone jacks, just don't be upset if you don't get another Android version pushed to your device.

[–] limerod@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's not available in my region. But, if it was, I would consider getting it. Snapdragon 778 level performance should be sufficient for most people.

[–] southernwolf@pawb.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I hope the FP5 will come to the US officially too. I know the FP4 could work here, but it apparently did have issues with a carrier or two, or something.

Hopefully the 5 will bring true support for US markets.

[–] Pherenike@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

It will be announced today, stay tuned

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No headphone jack? Not interested.

[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fair phone really shot themselves in the foot when they removed the headphone jack, especially given their mission statement.

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[–] lemann@lemmy.one 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ugh. Looks like they may never release a device with a headphone jack at this point. I'm fine with my FP3 but it still comes off a bad move.

Can they please just bring back the project manager that oversaw the FP3? Since the departure the company has made very questionable design choices and decisions (FP4 without headphone jack, and the unrepairable first gen Fairbuds)

[–] WagesOf@artemis.camp 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Buy a usbc dac for everything you have with that plug from 1975. Join us in the modern world.

[–] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

But that steals a port used for charging :/
I thought I didn't mind when I bought my phone that doesn't have it at first, but it really sucks having to reach for a dongle when I want to use my good headphones on the phone. If USB-C is really so superior for audio, then that would be a good argument to make 2 USB-C ports, don't you think?
Yet barely any manufacturer does it, I only ever saw it on some niche gaming phones. Even if they did that, the jack still has a place IMO, because it's still so ubiquitous even newer midrange headphone releases use it

[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Work phone doesn't have a 3.5mm jack, it's a lot more annoying than I expected it to be.

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[–] Opafi@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's too damn big. I got a Fairphone 4 and got rid of it because I just couldn't properly use it (and because of the poor camera performance on top of that). Now they're releasing an even bigger phone? I may be the minority here, but that's a deal breaker for me. I'll need a new phone in the next few months, but right now I'm only considering the s23 or the Xperia 5 V, just because everything else is just too fucking huge.

[–] curiousgoo 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is the Asus Zenfone available in your region ? If yes, its a pretty compact and feature rich phone.

[–] Frederic 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

~~Asus just quit the phone market, closed their site and application, you can not ever unlock your bootloader anymore. Zenfone are dead.~~

looks false?

https://9to5google.com/2023/08/26/asus-zenfone-series-ending-report/

[–] Opafi@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That wasn't on my radar, but the same point that kinda keeps me away from the Sony that I'd really like to like otherwise applies to the zenfone as well: really short update cycles. The zenfone even more so, as the Sony is just about to be released while the zenfone is already available for almost a year. I tend to keep my phones longer, so that really is a factor.

[–] claymore@pawb.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Zenfone 10 got released in july this year. I'd buy it on the spot if the software support was longer. The only phone in recent memory that has good specs and also looks decent

[–] Opafi@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Ah, the 10 is already out... I checked the 9. So at least it'll be one more year of updates, but it still just is really not much for a device that's 850 €.

[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Specifically, the Qualcomm QCM6490 octa-core SoC is used in the Fairphone 5, which is actually more intended for embedded and industrial applications. The chip has eight cores and reaches up to 2.7 gigahertz, whereby the performance should be on the level of the Snapdragon 778G 5G .

(Machine translated.)

Interesting. I'll wait for benchmarks before jumping to conclusions. Considering how Qualcomm has been raising prices, I'm not really surprised that vendors are crawling down the product line.

[–] claymore@pawb.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the article it mentions that the SoC might have been chosen because on it's extended software support of 8 years. Industrial tier electronics also usually cost more than consumer counterparts, so unlikely a cost cutting measure

Awesome. Ars just posted their review and they mention this as well. I have not used a SD 776G phone, which they say is similar. Looking at quick benchmarks, it looks like it sits around the performance level of a SD888?

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/08/fairphone-5-sets-a-new-standard-with-8-10-years-of-android-support/

[–] NightmareQueenJune 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I am currently typing this on my Fairphone 4. I personally do really like it and the only thing I would really complain about is the cameras. They are fine but as soon as you get into low(ish) light settings or try to zoom just a little bit it get's bad. When using 8x digital zoom you basically have pixel soup. And yes, I know digital zoom sucks. But at the same time my Galaxy S7 was older and did this soo much better.

I was also annoyed about the missing headphone jack but it turns out that it really isn't a huge problem for me. I mostly need it in my car and I just have a dongle that splits into USB-C (for charging) and 3.5mm jack that I store in my car. I don't really get why Fairphone decided against it but it really doesnt affect me as much as I feared it would.

[–] soulfirethewolf@lemdro.id 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I hope it gets a US release

[–] Pherenike@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Fairphone 4 with /e/OS (degoogled, privacy focused custom ROM) is available in the US. Check out https://murena.com/shop/smartphones

[–] Anarchie99@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

FP5 will probably get the same treatment.

[–] Pherenike@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Looks like it, yeah - they'll announce it today

[–] soulfirethewolf@lemdro.id 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but they also mention that if you choose to install stock android onto it instead of their e/OS. They will void your warranty :/

[–] sub_ubi@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Same, been waiting a long time

[–] limerod@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago

There are currently 11 modules, which are user replaceable. It has 8GB of ram. It would've been so much cool if it was upgradable to something like 12/16GB.

[–] jacktherippah@lemdro.id 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Too expensive for me. I understand why, like the whole being "fair" thing and all but those specs are not good enough for 700€.