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i don't since i don't read much and i am fine without the paper feeling mabye

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[–] SomeoneElse@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think I’m on my 3rd kindle now - I had the paper white, the voyage and now the oasis. I read loads, a good hundred books a year. I have lupus though and the arthritis in my hands was making it really painful to physically hold open a book. Plus I’d filled two huge bookcases in my tiny flat. The kindle is obviously much lighter and with a case or popsocket it doesn’t hurt me to hold it. I have damage to my vision now and the kindle has worked out brilliantly for that too - I’ve been able to upload a particularly legible font to help me out and adjusting the screen brightness has been kinder on my eyes too. They really come into their own when you go on holiday - the oasis is waterproof too.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

One of my favorite things is I can read on my side without having to switch positions with each new page turn.

[–] Rozz@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I never thought about real accessibility on kindles, but those are all huge benefits

[–] SomeoneElse@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

It was so depressing when I couldn’t hold a book anymore, I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say having a kindle changed my life.

[–] ludwig@reddthat.com 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have e-book readers that use e-ink, and I love it. I can read books for hours and not have my eyes feel tired, that's what it was designed for.

[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have a remarkable 2. Had it 2 years, use it daily for taking notes during consults.

I don't use it for reading or any other task. For me it's pretty much just an infinite notepad. For this purpose it's perfect. After 2 years it's cost has reduced to something similar to paper notepads and pens.

These devices are definitely not for everyone. They have a way to go to really fulfil their potential, but I wouldn't be without one.

[–] jtmetcalfe@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’ve had my eye on this for a while, I’m a rigorous notebook and pen note taker but the ability to search through notes would be a huge benefit - do you find the integration with other services to work well? (I would want to export notes to a separate cloud storage platform like OneDrive)

Nah, it doesn't work like that. You couldn't search hand written notes.

I've never tried it but I think the OCR stuff happens remotely and the only output is email. As in, you can email yourself a notebook and it will arrive as text. The whole idea of this seemed so clunky to me it could barely be called a feature.

Similarly with services like onedrive. I think you can upload a notebook to onedrive but not sync with onedrive.

This may have changed, I haven't looked into this for a long time.

My advice would be to think of the device as a paper notepad with infinite pages, nothing more. If that's not worth it for you then don't get one.

[–] yukichigai@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My spouse bought a Kindle Paperwhite that was gathering dust on a shelf, so I loaded it up and gave it a whirl. I absolutely love the thing: it's light, clear, easy to read, and easy to load things onto (especially via Calibre). The only thing I dislike about it is that the idle battery usage seems completely random at times. Sometimes I can leave it alone for two days and it'll be at half power, sometimes I go away for a few hours and it'll drop from 80% to 8%. Usually it's fine, but I've learned to keep a power source handy.

That's.. very unusual. I can use mine for weeks.

[–] ClassyHatter@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

There's something wrong with the device. Paperwhite's battery should last for weeks, especially if it's somewhat recent model. Try to calibrate the battery by charging it to full, and continue to charge couple more hours after it's full. Then use the device until the battery is completely empty (the device turns off by itself). And finally charge it to full. Do not charge it while you are discharging the battery, or interrupt the charging while charging to full. If that doesn't help, the battery might be faulty or there is something wrong on the software side of things.

[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have been really hankering for an 8 inch ereader, but it seems like everything needs to use a proprietary OS with all sorts of drawbacks. Is there anything out there that is more FOSS-minded, or is the best option to load a Kobo with KOReader and just disable as much of the main OS as possible?

[–] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's only a partial match, but the ReMarkable runs linux under the hood, and you can install a package manager on it.

It's not a fantastic E-Reader, as it's mostly designed for taking notes, but it does work as one. The main drawback is the lack of a built in light, but depending on your use-case that might not be an issue for you

[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

That did look tempting, and I could probably work with the lackluster eBook functionality, but 10" is too big for me

[–] zac@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Bought a Kindle Paperwhite in 2018, loved that and still use it as my carry-around book because I prefer reading on that over my phone. Recently bought a Boox Nova 2 for note taking, I don't use it for that as often as I want to but I still love reading comics on Tachiyomi and regular books synced with my Kindle through their app. Love my einks cause the battery lasts for weeks at a time

[–] theangriestbird 4 points 1 year ago

I have one and barely use it, but that's more about my reading habits than it is about the tablet. When I am in a good reading habit, I love it because it's frontlit, lighter than a book, and way easier to read while laying on my side.

[–] sibloure 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have thought about getting a Boox e-ink tablet but currently just read ebooks on my phone. It's hard not to get distracted though with other apps installed.

[–] Andjhostet@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I have the Leaf 2 and would highly recommend. Works great, and is much better for your eyes. I use it every day.

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have a kindle (paperwhite I think) that I won in a raffle and I've grown to love it. Much lighter than a book or a phone, no cramps from holding my hand in strange positions, and a very gentle backlight. The only thing I don't like about it is being tethered to Amazon. When it dies I'll try to find an alternative that's still compatible with my library's ebook system.

[–] tjhart85@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

You can enable an email address for it and then can email EPUBs to it, so can use it without paying more to Amazon.

[–] Powerbomb@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I bought a Kobo Libra 2 at the start of the summer, after trying reading both on my 7" OLED phone and a 14" OLED blet/tablet for about a year prior.

It's one of the best purchases I did this year.

[–] Whisper06@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

I have an E-ink e reader. It’s nice on the eyes and books are super cheap along with not needing a bunch of physical space for the books. I love an actual book but I prefer the convenience of an electronic device and with the e-reader I can have at least a paper look and feel.

[–] ChrisLicht@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What is an example of a good e-ink tablet?

[–] everett@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Boox, Supernote and ReMarkable brands are a few of the typical choices.

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I love my Paperwhite. I've had it for 10 years.

I have an Kobo Glo since 2013 that is working well and still getting software updates. My only gripes are that the back light is a little too bright and it can lag a bit when following endnotes.

[–] FARTYSHARTBLAST@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The only eink device I ever owned was a Pebble. It was pretty great in its time though.

[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Pebble's marketing campaign is so good, I'm still correcting people to this day. xD It's something they call "e-paper", but it's really a transflective LCD (remember those?). Nowhere like e-ink.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

Same. Transflective LCDs are great, and I really wish they got used more. Smartwatches are such a perfect application, yet everyone still slaps on energy-hungry oleds that literally degrade from the UV radiation of sunlight.

But they have literally nothing in common with e-ink.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The pebble was "e-paper" which was a marketing term for a transflective LCD. It was not e-ink.

E-ink is a proprietary display tech that uses actual magnetized "ink" suspended in "liquid" cells. By pushing and pulling dark/light ink particles with an array of tiny electromagnets, it physically "paints" an image onto the display surface. Even if you entirely cut power, the image remains indefinitely.

Transflective LCD, is an LCD, and while its an extremely small amount, it does still need power to stay on.

[–] FARTYSHARTBLAST@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Weird, has nobody made a real e ink watch? That seems like it'd be a no brainer to make as watch displays go. Or is there some reason it wouldn't be good in a watch format?

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It makes perfect sense.

But the transflective LCDs which were used by pebble were really fucking good. Especially with color in the Pebble Time, and the display that was going to be in the Time 2 was very promising.

E-Ink watches do exists, they are made by Fossil, and are great. Popping mine in a charger while I shower is enough to keep it going indefinitely.

But e-ink can barely do moving images, there are some tricks which can enable stuff like a small part of the display showing a smoothly animating loading icon, but generally, e-ink can't surpass 1Hz refresh rate.

The UI for Pebble was getting super slick and smoothly animated. That's where the transflective LCD shines, its the best of both worlds, super low power usage while displaying a static image, but when you DO interact with it, it can do 60Hz animations no problem.

[–] MDKAOD@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fossil has an eink hybrid now icymi

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have one. Been wearing it for years. I like it a lot. I'd still take pebble still being around, over it, but it's a close second.

I've been using a Garmin these days, very good battery life!

[–] psysok@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

I got a Sony PRS-505 from late 2007, around the time of the first kindle. At the time it was amazing to be able to travel with just that instead of travel guides and multiple novels like I did before taking up weight and space. That was also like two years prior to me getting a smart phone. Since then I have had two different kindles, but they did not have as much of an impact as that sony ereader did.

[–] dirkgentle@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have a Kobo Libra 2, I quite enjoy it for borrowing books from the public library.

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[–] Wahots@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago

I have one that can rent library books. It's decent and I like it, but there's no open standard, you are chained to their store. I want to be able to shop all stores including tiny real-world bookstores on my Kobo.

[–] skookumasfrig@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think that e-ink is better for books, and tablets are better for magazines and comics. I like the feel of my ebook, it has very much the same kind of feel as a paperback. The larger format of a tablet is great for magazines, and being able to pinch and zoom is useful there too

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[–] qeqpep@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Had 6' onyx. Replaced all textbooks in school with it. Then internal flash memory broke and I returned to reading on the phone. I use speed reading module in KOReader and it'd need third crosshair, third glance per line on a wider screen. Considering how I plan to switch to zig-zag reading.. Mb I prefer phone size. Most books I read nowadays are for studying, which means emacs, large screen. I'll test a friend's reader and mb buy one if it really reduces eyestrain

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

I have a Kobo eReader. I like it a lot but unfortunately I forget to read books so I don't use it much...

[–] bbmb@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In my curiosity, I bought a Nook Simple Touch off eBay for 15 dollars a few months ago. It actually works really great for reading EPUBs off Overdrive and OpenLibrary, and it definitely makes night reading a hell of a lot more comfortable, lasts quite long on battery, even as a cheap second hand device.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yup. I have a Likebook Ares that I put Tachiyomi on for manga. It's a bit bigger than my phone, and the aspect ratio is a much closer match to that of manga volumes. It's nice.

It's worth noting that the paper look isn't the only benefit of e-ink, it's also crazy power efficient. Only changing what is on the display requires power. Unless you use the front-light (e-ink has to be lit from the front, light cannot pass through the display), the battery life on these things can be weeks and even months.

If you want to get into books or comics, I recommend one, but starting off reading on your phone, which I did, is a good idea.

[–] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I've got a ReMarkable (got it for free from a friend who never used it) and I think it could be great depending on your specific use-cases.

It's a pretty great tablet for taking notes on, using the pen to write feels like writing on paper, the writing is responsive, and now they have an optional keyboard for typing things up on it for situations where that works best. The biggest downsides on the note-taking front is the difficulty in adding new templates. It comes with 15 or so templates, and you can add more, but you need to be somewhat tech savy (basically if you can work SSH and know how to move files around on the CLI, you'll be fine). Though the added templates won't be able to display previews properly, but that's not the end of the world IMO.

As an E-Reader it's functional, but a bit subpar. The screen size is awesome for reading, I use a somewhat small font, and so I can fit a good chunk of a chapter on a single page, which is nice. The built-in E-Reader is basically useless, but you can download KoReader on it (again, some proficiency in using the CLI is required here), which is excellent. The biggest issues I have with it's ability as an E-Reader are the lack of a backlight (so no reading in bed without a reading lamp) and - somewhat ironically - the size (which is both a blessing while you're using it, and a curse while you're travelling with it).

It's somewhat (but not really) FOSS - they use a proprietary flavor of linux under the hood, and you can access the base operating system over SSH. If you're a linux guy/gal, it can be pretty cool, since you can install all sorts of stuff on it and setup recurring jobs via systemd (for instance, I wrote a short systemd service which swaps out the screen saver image every 5 minutes while it's in use). This also means you can potentially brick your remarkable though, and it's not easy to unbrick (though it's possible most of the time using a USB-C breakout board).

Overall, i honestly don't use it a whole lot, but if i was the sort of person who liked making handwritten notes, I'd probably use it a whole lot more. But I generally find it easier to just use my kindle for on-the-go reading, and my phone/desktop for note-taking

[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I like the tech but I'm waiting for a phone with a 60Hz (minimum) color display to come out first. So I'll be waiting awhile.

[–] WetBeardHairs@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, you're not kidding. Last I heard, full color eink was at less than 1 hz refresh rate.

But I can dream too!