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Caffeine must be one of, if not the, most used drug. It is vital to the operation of more or less every industry.

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[–] RampageDon@lemmy.ml 165 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Pharma companies would already have a caffeine equivalent that would be only slightly different in structure so it would circumvent the law. It would then be sold at exorbitant prices and people would still pay even with the side effect of sometimes you eat someone's face. Of course they would then sell you something else to stop the side effects. You would also have the caffeine purists who would start their own speak easies and organized crime. People "abiding by the law" would start calling the purist, plants, since that is where caffeine is coming from, while the synthetic caffeine users would be called zombies for the obvious face eating reasons. This whole thing would cause even greater divides between already split countries leading to all out war. WWIII plants vs zombies.

[–] Skoobie@lemmy.film 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This comment was amazing to come across and I look forward to the film adaptation.

[–] RampageDon@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Haha thanks. Wrote it drinking my morning cup of coffee.

[–] triclops6@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

I did a spit take when I read this

(of my coffee)

πŸ”₯✍πŸ”₯

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[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 74 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think once upon a time alcohol was illegal somewhere? That's what would happen. And I'd totally join a mafia

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[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 35 points 1 year ago

Pretty much the same as with every illegal product. It would move to black market because as long as there is demand there will always be a supply.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 year ago

Ever heard of prohibition? Probably that.

[–] Frub@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can't imagine some shady guy in a street corner saying "I've got the stuff" and it's just fucking coffee beans πŸ’€

[–] BROMETHIUS@startrek.website 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right?! That’s almost as crazy as some shady guy selling a plant.

[–] Frub@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

I agree lol.

[–] apt_install_coffee@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Any government which makes caffeine illegal must be prepared to enforce that law with mass violence, or let it be ignored.

Given how unlikely your average cop is going to enforce a law they regularly brea... Oh, nevermind. Yeah it'd be a shit show. Demonstrations, arrests, black markets, the whole nine yards.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

This eventual solution would likely bring to mind Bunny Colvin's "paper bag" speech from the wire

Somewhere back in the beginning of time, this district had itself a civic dilemma of epic proportions. The city council had just passed a law that forbade alcoholic consumption in public areas; on the streets and on the corners. But the corner is, it was and it always will be the poor man's lounge. It's where a man wants to be on a hot summer's night. It's cheaper than a bar. Catch a nice breeze and watch the girls go on by. But the law is the law so what are the western cops gonna do? They arrest every dude for tipping back a High Life, there'd be no time for any other kind of police work. And if they look the other way, they open themselves up to all kinds of flaunting, all kinds of disrespect. Now, this is before my time but somewhere back in the 50's or the 60's, there was a moment of goddamn genius by some nameless smokehound who comes out the Cut-Rate one day and on his way to the corner he slips that just bought pint of elderberry into a paper bag. A great moment of civic compromise. That small wrinkled ass paper bag allowed the corner boys to have their drink in peace and gave us permission to go and do police work. The kind of police work that's actually worth the effort, that's actually worth taking a bullet for.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago

It's a part of so much natural food it'd be impossible to ban

[–] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The same thing that happened when they made shipping nicotine through the mail illegal.

I stock up on a shitload of pure caffeine/nicotine, and store it.

Either that, or I start extracting it from other commonly available foods... (caffeine is present in quite a few foods naturally. )

Or, finally.... there would then just become a black market for caffeine.

The same stuff which happened during the prohibition period many years ago.

[–] CodingCarpenter@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Fuck yeah a coffee speak easy sounds amazing. Like prohibition or not I would totes go to a coffee speakeasy

[–] fratermus@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What would happen if caffeine was made illegal?

black market

[–] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Yup, people would be growing beans in their backyard like weed plants, and people would be learning to roast their own shit lol

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[–] ProvokedGamer@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Loads of people will go through withdrawal symptoms.

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[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Michael Pollen wrote a audible book about how modern capitalism wouldn't have been possible without the invention of the light bulb and the abundance of caffeinated beverages as it facilitated a 24 hour economy. Literally titled Caffeine: How Caffeine Created the Modern World.

So what would happen if the government illegalized caffeine? I'd say they'd be more likely to prohibit literally any other drug including alcohol and tobacco. But if I were to indulge this hypothetical scenario, I'd say other new stimulants without any legal status would be invented to replace caffeine.

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[–] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would have a bad headache for a few days, but I would probably power through and not resolve to illegal purchases.

I'm the government's bitch.

[–] Iceblade02@lemdit.com 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I'm tempted to say "RIOTS AND PITCHFORKS!", but let's be real, I can't torrent coffee.

[–] fred@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago
[–] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago

chocolate

soft drinks

and a few more things (and of course, all other products with chocolate in them. ice cream, candy bars etc)

would also be illegal.

[–] danhakimi@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

cocaine sales would go up. People would try microdosing. Some of those people would end up regular dosing.

There would be a black market, not only for coffee and tea, but also for caffeine powder, which people would sprinkle into anything.

Peoples' overall caffeine consumption would go down. That girl from my high school who got the shakes every afternoon would probably have been better off.

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 9 points 1 year ago

Mass civil disobedience.

[–] Album@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

Nicotine sales would probably go up. It's a mild stimulant.

[–] SHamblingSHapes@lemmy.one 9 points 1 year ago

Caffeine doesn't require a laboratory or manufacturing operations. It can come from plants. What would happen is people start growing and developing an underground caffeine distribution network and underground caffeine import network from countries that aren't dumb.

Weed users are less than 20% of the US population and that was a shadow industry bigger than most legal industries. Compare to 60% drink coffee every day, then there's tea drinkers and of other caffeinated beverages; people would riot and/or go underground to get their caffeine.

[–] ComradePorkRoll@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

You think Starbucks has been ruthless against the SBU? Turning them into a drug cartel would mean they go 1900s Pinkertons on them.

Medical errors would become the number one cause of death overnight.

[–] Bumblefumble 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think if you banned coffee, most countries would have legit riots of not revolutions. The people will put up with a lot, but not that.

[–] swan_pr@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

My first thought reading the question "blood in the streets". Coffee has been around for hundreds of years and is deeply cultural in many parts of the world. I don't see any reality where that could happen.

[–] ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago

Like "you get a fine" illegal, or "you go to jail" illegal, or "Judge Dredd executes you in the street for possessing stimulants" illegal? If the punishment is light or the risk is low, many people probably just keep using it, like alcohol during Prohibition. If there's a harsh punishment and the risk of actually being punished is high, there might be riots.

[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Most mathematicians will be in jail.

[–] SecretPancake@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago

People would suddenly realize it’s better to go to bed earlier and sleep longer than hitting snooze 5 times and needing that energy boost every morning. Who am I kidding, people would revolt.

There'd be a lot more bloodshed on Monday mornings

[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Bathtub coffee and speakeasys.

[–] 7777AKA@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I will become Caffeine version of Pablo Escobar πŸ˜‰πŸ˜‚πŸ‘ŠπŸ»

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[–] CCatMan@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Caffeine as an additive to drinks is weird.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Its a bittering agent. Though I'll admit the mild psychotropic effects are probably why we use it instead of the myriad other things that are just as bitter and probably safer to consume overall.

[–] joeyv120@ttrpg.network 4 points 1 year ago

Perhaps some people would stop punishing their own bodies for the benefit of their employer.

[–] federalreverse@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The entire premise of this question seems insane. The only industry in which caffeine is vital is probably the coffee industry.

Yeah, there would be a black market and what not but that doesn't mean the world would stop turning off supply ran out.

[–] Buffalobuffalo@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don’t forget many types of tea have similar levels of caffeine. And US started a whole war over a tax on tea much less a ban.

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[–] Raisin8659@monyet.cc 4 points 1 year ago

The governments probably stop functioning. Apocalypse ensues.

[–] rufus@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago

Have a headache for a few days. And reorganize everything to not start the workday before noon.

[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I would take a 30 minute nap every day after lunch.

[–] VanillaGorilla@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

That sounds lovely, let's try that without making coffee illegal.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

It would be yet another failed policy pushed by the kind of idiots who like to ban things. Comics/Guns/Porn/Drugs etc.

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