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[–] utopia_dig@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 year ago (26 children)

No, because a cow has to be impregnated and their baby is taken away (and either killed (male) or is also going to be a milk cow (female)) just for you having some pleasure.

[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I get that, which is why I can't wait for lab-grown meat to take off so that I can finally eat the things I enjoy guilt-free. I'll be among the first to buy it the moment it's at the grocery store. Hopefully lab-grown cheese comes next. Vegan "cheez" is awful.

[–] threeduck@aussie.zone 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Vegan supermarket cheese is awful, but if you can find a cashew cheese they're really good. My go to are the more upmarket supermarkets.

[–] scala@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Myoko is a great brand for all their plant-cheeses.

[–] abbadon420@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Knowing humans, it's either that or extinction. I think cows did a pretty smart move, evolutionairywise. That said, it is time for change.

[–] Vegoon@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The breeds abused for milk are like those dogs which can't breath. What is your stance on dogs who cant breath or run, do we need to breed them to avoid their extinction?

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[–] Seathru 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

My brain says yes but my bowels say no.

Brain still wins every time. I can handle some discomfort in the future for a mouth full of bliss right now.

[–] DauntingFlamingo@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

a mouth full of bliss right now

Are we still doing phrasing?

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[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes.

what is your reason for saying so?

I don't understand this part of the question :P

The answer is yes because the question is cheese..

[–] saloe@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I really wish there was some ethical way of farming dairy cows, but have come to the conclusion that it just isn't with current methods and knowledge. I have some land and love cows so considered getting one or two for hobby-farming and just so I could have my own "cruelty free" dairy. Here are some things to consider about dairy farming:

  • Only female cows produce milk.
  • Female cows only produce milk for a brief period of time after giving birth.
  • Every single cow requires at least one acre of grazing.
  • You only need one bull on a dairy farm to provide sperm.
  • Baby calves want to be near their mothers and will drink their milk.

The only way to fit these pieces together in any economical way is to: (a) forcefully impregnate cows as often as possible, (b) limit the amount of time calves can be with their mothers so they don't drink all the milk, and (c) slaughter male calves for veal. This is cruel no matter how you slice it. If you are born a cow you are taken away from your mother and given food you don't like and isn't as good for you as the milk that was produced specifically for you. If you are unlucky enough to be a female cow you will spend the next several years of your life being forcefully impregnated and having your own children taken away from you every year. If you are a male cow you'll only know life on earth for a short while before being put out of your misery. In the end, regardless of gender or age, you'll be sent into a long line of other confused and panicked cows to be slaughtered for your meat and organs at a factory staffed by strangers in scary masks you've never seen before with the smell of death and terror all around you. There is no such thing as ethical dairy and any company proclaiming otherwise is not being honest with you or themselves.

Edit: I should say that there are better ways of doing most of the steps in dairy farming that aren't as cruel. But unless consumers are okay paying something along the lines of $20 for a gallon of milk, capitalism will never permit those practices to actually happen.

Also wanted to say that I'm not necessarily against animal products. I have chickens. They are as happy as can be and give us delicious eggs every day. I feed them well and treat them like family and they don't mind me taking their eggs. I really don't see an issue with this exchange because there is no cruelty and both parties benefit. There are numerous examples of this with animals and animal products. However, I believe that dairy is one of those cases where there isn't really an ethical solution. Even if you take the unnecessary cruelty out of the process, you are still left with at least a little cruelty. Where do you draw the line?

[–] Halfjack@reddthat.com 19 points 1 year ago

Yes, because cheese. Lactose intolerance be damned

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

I don't need cheese, I have nooch!

[–] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes, because cheese is delicious. Cheese can go with meat, pasta, bread, fruit, vegetables, wine, beer, fried foods, foods with delicate flavors, and so much more. There's such a large variety of cheeses that it's practically its own food group.

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[–] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago

Yes, because I like it.

[–] Madusch@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No to cheese made from bovine mammary secretions, because I try not to participate in animal exploitation anymore. Yes to plant based cheese, because it's delicious.

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[–] Noodleneedles 8 points 1 year ago

Yes. Cheese protects against death from any cause.

The real question is, why aren't you eating more cheese?

[–] iegod@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Cheese is one of the best parts of being alive.

[–] sjmulder@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago

Loved cheese but not having it any more. Not my milk not my cheese. My pleasure can’t come at the expense of another sentient, innocent being, especially not if that involves forced impregnation, being caged up, and having your children be taken almost right away who then often end up being killed because there’s no use.

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Yes. Gouda, Brie, Cheddar, Manchego, Meunster, Provolone, Parmesan, Feta, Asagio, Monterey Jack, Stilton, I could go on..

[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Wensleydale?

[–] WackyTabbacy42069@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Oh fuck yeah boi, you're saying all the right words :D

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[–] Dubious_Fart@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago

No. I'm having a lemonade.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Cheese for sure. Goat, Sheep, Cow, so many amazing varieties. All utilizing amazing advances in animal husbandry the human race has honed and improved upon for centuries across almost all cultures and all parts of the world.

Absolutely yes. A food that can elevate a dish or be great on its own. More cheese please.

[–] snor10@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Yes, because it tastes good.

[–] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Yes. All my yes. And an extra "yes" if the cheese in question is Gorgonzola or Emmenthal.

[–] BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

i love cheese. i eat parmesan triangles sometimes, rind included

[–] lorez@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Because pecorino, parmigiano e gorgonzola are delicious.

[–] Wrrzag@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago
[–] space_frog@lemmyfly.org 3 points 1 year ago

Yes.

I love cheese.

[–] Turious@leaf.dance 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, because it's tasty.

[–] Acid@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago

I don’t think I would want to live in a world without cheese.

[–] LongPigFlavor@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, I use jalapeΓ±o cream cheese daily for my egg sandwich.

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[–] oranges@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Yes..... Melted on anything.......

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