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Slew of inexpensive multi effects amp modelers - opinions? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 1 year ago by nysflyboy@lemmy.ml to c/guitars@lemmy.world

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First of all - Hi Reddfugees! (Did I coin a term?)

I was about to post this to /r/guitar and /r/guitareffects but screw Reddit for now.

Anyway - I have a couple Boss Katana Mk 1's. They are fun, and "workable" but never have really sounded that great. Sure they are so much better than my old solid state Peavy from 1990, but they just aren't great.

So I have been thinking of diving into the amp modeler/multi effects world (i.e. Fractal, Line6, Zoom, etc etc) and when I started looking around noticed that there are a TON of these other smaller brands out there. Mooer, NUX, Hotone (Ampero), Valeton, Donner, Headrush, etc etc etc.

I've about gone blind and deaf from watching youtube comparison videos of these.

My budget was roughly $300-350 or less. Maybe I will sell a guitar and a Katana and could stretch that a bit. But when I started looking - I don't think I even need to. $300ish gets you a LOT these days.

What I want:

Giggable platform, i.e. not totally studio based, easy to swap presets/scenes, ideally possible to toggle individual effects (maybe not needed depending on how scene stuff goes). Small gigs, bars, that kind of thing. Modeler + powered FRFR speaker, + FOH sometimes. This will be used in my home studio 90% of the time, but I want something I can set up, practice on, and unplug to gig with minimal tweaking.
Good amp models out of the box. Rock, Grunge, Blues, Acoustic. Rather have 20 decent amp/cab models than 250 that are never going to be used.
Good effects for Fuzz/Dist, Reverb, Delay, Chorus, Compressor. Bonus if there is a GOOD wah, extra bonus for a good Whammy style pitch shifter.
Effects loop (maybe not 100% needed if above has everything)

Ideally runs on 9V but not a big deal if not. Good/usable software for the initial setup/tweaking. User community with shared presets etc. is nice.

Specifically looking at: Hotone Ampero MP100 Valeton GP200 NUX MG30 Mooer GE200

Anyone want to discuss?

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[–] MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I see the zoom one get recommended all the time. I have no exp with any of them sorry. I will miss guitarpedals lol.

[–] humorouslyironicname 1 points 1 year ago

ToneX and Neural Amp Modeler are both in a completely different category from everything else. They’re using a new form of amp modeling that sounds vastly better than the impulse-based modelers of the past. Everyone will switch to this at some point, but those are the only two who have switched to neural network based modeling so far.

NAM is free, but only available as a plug-in. ToneX is available as a plug-in and as an affordable box you can gig with. The only downside is that it only covers the amp and cab, so you’re still going to need your pedalboard for other effects. There’s also no effects loop, but I think it’s fine to apply your post effects after the cab has been applied.

The other downside is that it’s just a box, so you’re going to need speakers for gigging. You may need to plug into a PA or something like that for gigs.

[–] kiwifoxtrot@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you willing to buy used? If you can stretch to about $500 the HX Stomp is available to you. It pretty much has everything you are looking for, except I'm not as familiar with the whammy/ wah models as I don't use those, and it won't run on 9V. It has a really nice software package with a community hub of presets. Line 6 also keeps publishing updates to it. The interface is simple to build and tweak patches. The only issue I have with it is sometimes I get analysis paralysis and there are just too many things to tweak.

[–] nysflyboy@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

That was was on the list too (off the top $ side). Or maybe it was the POD Go. Either way - I watched a youtube with that as one of the reviewed models that was compared to 2 or 3 of the others I listed, and it was amazing how well the cheaper ones did! But the Line 6 was really good out of the box, the presets were very solid, and I thought the control system was very gig friendly (especially the colored buttons).

Line 6 has certainly been in the game a long time, and I know there is a great community there. I've never owned a modeling anything other than the two Katana's and those just don't do it for me anymore. Amplitube 5 into my studio monitors sounds amazing, but that seems like a PITA to play live with.

A few of these modelers (I think the Line 6, and the Mooer, and one of the others, seemed to have REALLY good stock presets. Like minor tweaks out of the box and could be off to play. Although tweakability and stuff is fun, I have to make a real effort to not go down that rabbit hole all the time. The other night I was going to practice 8 songs for an upcoming show, most of which are newish to me, and I instead after the first song I spent 2 hours messing with my tone in Amplitube. And I don't even use that live! It can be a real problem. That's actually when I decided I need to look at these sim/FX units, find one that has a handful of GOOD tones out of the box (or close) and ideally has gig friendly controls (for patch/scene changes, live sets, etc) and just make that my main rig for 90% of the time. Get my 4-6 sounds/patches set up and be done.

Amazon has good return policies, maybe its time to make a best guess and buy a couple and return what I don't want.

[–] JamesMayOwnsMySoul@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I quite liked the NU-X MG30. A decent editor, can upload IRs in to it which makes it sound a hell of a lot better. The Space Echo algorithm in it is genuinely good. Wahs are iffy but no worse than any of the others. Has an Effects loop, decent amps and easily gigable.

Mooer GE200 is solid as well but I haven't spent as much time with it to know it's specs of the top of my head.

Personally, I think I'd save up and go for an HX Stomp, even if I had to go second hand. The Line 6 models are a level above anything else you'll get under $1k, the community is great and the build quality is a lot better than the others as well.

[–] nysflyboy@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Advantage: Line 6 - they sell those at Guitar Center - so maybe time to go spend some time with one. One local musician I know uses their top-end one from a few years back, but I have to be honest I have never liked his tone. It has that "digital" sound to it (metal/rock) and I could never really get into it. But maybe its his patches... Or it is also an older model.

I could also easily do without a good built in Wah, and Whammy, since I own those two already and both generally go in the front of the signal chain. FX loop would be nice though.

The NUX MG30 was actually the one I was thinking of buying (of the cheaper/less known). I thought the models/IRs in the reviews I listened to were very good and sounded very real and responsive.

Time to go and try some of these out in person I guess. Frankly I wish there were NOT so many decent ones! But I guess I should be thankful!

[–] Kanped@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

If I was getting one myself, I would probably go for the Headrush MX5. There's also the Tone X pedal from IK that allows Rig capture so anyone can capture amps and upload them, then you download them so it's very expandable.

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