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If you think that what you are doing to someone else is too humiliating, degrading, unacceptable to think about happening to you, there's something to explore.

Go to 45:40 for a bit more context, but this quote is enough to start the discussion I have in mind.

The idea is simple and it’s mostly aimed at the ones with little interested in BDSM. BDSM is not abuse. It might be abusive, which is absolutely bad, but that should never be the nature of the practice.

From time to time, I see accusations of abuse being dismissed with the excuse it’s just a form of BDSM that people outside can’t understand. It’s not that hard to grasp the concepts, but you’ll notice you will never get an explanation. Serious people will know what they are talking about and are able to provide you with resources for you to educate yourself. Honestly, most people would find all the education and preparation quite boring, the same way someone that just wants to cut people up would find too bothersome to become a surgeon.

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[–] SweetCitrusBuzz 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

As for the abuse, this is exactly why you should stay away from people who:

  • 'Figured it out' for themselves without any education from actual kink educators.
  • Do not believe that the core of kink is respecting consent, boundaries and autonomy and that consent is revocable at any time.
  • Do not practise good RACK: Risk Aware Consensual Kink.

Such people should be kept away from kink at all costs.

[–] Powderhorn 1 points 2 weeks ago

I was introduced to the scene by a woman who "figured it out" for herself. She nominally wanted a Dom but was a fucking power bottom. That took years to recover from, and I was inactive and went vanilla before being able to return to exploring.

[–] Powderhorn 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The surge in interest in BDSM since 50 Shades came out has not been kind to the community. People want to just play without learning anything, and this is a very risky space in terms of the possibility of abuse wrapped under the guise of kink.

I've not been on FetLife in nearly a decade as a result, and I don't even go to the subreddits for my main kinks anymore.

[–] SweetCitrusBuzz 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yeah, exactly. The mainstream seems to be only to be able to depict abuse being kink.

The latest one is Babygirl (film) I've not seen it but based on the trailer it sure looked that way. I hope it isn't but I don't have high hopes of a mainstream film or other media ever depicting actually good consent and kinks beyond the ones most associated with the mainstream understanding of kink.

[–] Powderhorn 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I think Secretary didn't do a terrible job. But it's been downhill from there.

There are so many kinks within BDSM that trying to lump them all together is pointless. I'm a switch, so it's never clear what role I'll take with a new partner. But going into details has in the past not worked out so well here.

[–] elfpie 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think Secretary is good bad representation. Two people figuring out how to navigate their kink, but also learning how to deal with their bad behavior. They are flawed and don't know what they are doing. It's a movie, not an inspiration for life.

[–] Powderhorn 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I'm not saying it's perfect by any stretch, but an accurate depiction of a power-exchange lifestyle would make for terrible cinema. It's not all about whips, chains and leather. Dear god, can you imagine the critical reaction to an actual aftercare scene (no pun intended)?

[–] SweetCitrusBuzz 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah, I have heard it brought up as a good example but wasn't sure. I'll check it out.

Not sure what you mean about trying to lump them all together.

[–] Powderhorn 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

This insane notion that "BDSM" is a kink. That's like saying your favourite meal is food.

[–] Radiant_sir_radiant 1 points 2 weeks ago

Seconded - Secretary is lovely for all the right reasons.

[–] SweetCitrusBuzz 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There is a kink education and discussion community if you'd like to post it there: !kink@lemmy.blahaj.zone

[–] elfpie 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Thanks for the suggestion. I wanted to bring this to attention to the people outside that won't look up even the superficial stuff, which is consent.

Thinking about it a little more, that quote is great for the people that get convinced to perform a scene because their partner wants to experience being a sub and might end up traumatizing themselves for what they have done.

Wouldn't do it to yourself under any circumstances, don't do it to others.

[–] SweetCitrusBuzz 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is why 'doms' need to go through training what it's like to be a 'sub' ioo and possibly vice verse, to notice and deal with the potential pitfalls.

[–] Powderhorn 3 points 2 weeks ago

Dear god, the number of people who reach out to me calling me Daddy. Opening message. No fucking clue that you don't do that.