AskBeehaw

There are tons of reasons because Americans have been groomed this way on purpose, but here's one I haven't seen brought up here yet.

"Doing something about it" has consequences. In no order, and wildly varying in severity:

• You may be imprisoned (whether or not you are charged). The jails and prisons are very bad & this can lead to enslavement.
• Convictions strip you of civil rights.
• You may be entrapped or assassinated.
• Public activism and willingness to volunteer is frequently redirected by capitalists to spoil outcomes or just waste activist energy.
• Professional skilled volunteering (lawyers, librarians, medics) does not count as employment in your field for most purposes and this will inhibit your career. It can also get you blacklisted.
• Capitalists intentionally endanger and expose activists during pandemic events.
• Street violence from police, security, hate groups.
• You may be doxxed.
• Propaganda aimed at normies may turn friends and family and community against you.

All of the above are things that happened to me or activists I know / worked with in the Central & Eastern Rustbelt region of the stolen lands.

One thing I haven't seen in this thread yet: we're more or less trained that the only politics that really matter are federal politics. Most people can name the president (used it as part of a fast field cognitive test as a paramedic), but most folks can't name their congressperson or senators, let alone their state legislators, mayor, or city/county council representative. The more local you get, the less awareness there typically is, which is the opposite of what it should be. In the US, at least, local politicians have a pretty shocking amount of power while also being infinitely more accessible. If you live in a city, you can go to a city council meeting and yell at them about anything you want for 3-5 minutes or what have you, completely for free, and the cops can't stop you.

The cool thing is that you'll meet other people there who also want to affect change, and you can start to network and organize. I've done it, I'm doing it, I highly recommend it.

Well you see the government has tanks...

It's complicated.

"Bad" is first and foremost a matter of perspective and comparison. The United States is a a highly developed democracy (for now at least) and as such, it makes sense to compare it to the short list of other highly developed democracies on this planet (Canada, most of Europe, Israel, Oceania, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan). In the age of the Internet, this is easier than ever before, including - which can be especially devastating to many Americans - hearing first-hand accounts from what life is like in those other highly developed democracies, most of which do not share the same problems or at least not at the same level of severity as the US.

When you do that, issues become apparent. Inequality, healthcare (by far the most egregious), civil rights, violence (both violent crime and police violence), freedom of the press, judiciary, the general state of democratic institutions, the election system and the results it's producing, etc.

From a European perspective, the US changed from a country that was admired and emulated to a cautionary tale. To me personally, this happened after what was arguably the high point of its existence, the 1990s, the "end of history", when the Cold War was won, standards of living were improving rapidly across all of the developed world and America seemed invincible and still very much worth copying. Bush changed all of that, with his ignorance, his unjust war against Iraq, his erosion of civil liberties. Columbine just shortly before was perhaps another sign that something was amiss, that there were deeper issues below the shiny surface.

But once again, that's from the perspective of someone living and growing up in another highly developed nation, which combined only make up a small fraction of the world's population. The US should be compared to those and judged by the same standards, but most members of our species are living very different lives, under very different and worse conditions and are thus looking at this country from a very different point of view: They are experiencing far more poverty and inequality, violence and corruption, far worse media landscape, far less robust democratic institutions, are at a far greater risk of dying early due to events and powers outside of their own control. Yet they now have even easier access to media, both flattering and not, that shows them that there is this huge country of opportunity, where even a simple clearly exploited farm worker or household help can and does make more money than a doctor where they are coming from. Standards of living are higher for Americans, even during a crisis, than in much of the rest of the world. The gap may not be as massive and universal as it was a few decades ago, but it's still there and won't disappear for a long time. Given that much of the developing world will be far more affected by climate change in the coming decades (and yes, I'm writing this as wildfires are still devastating LA - being less affected doesn't mean this man-made catastrophe won't hurt us in the developing world as well), it'll only increase.

This reminds me a little of how Soviet cinemas used to show "The Grapes of Wrath" (1940) in their state-run cinemas in 1948 in order to demonstrate just how bad America was - except that Soviet citizens saw that even the poorest Americans had cars, which were completely unobtainable to them at the time. The film was quickly pulled from cinemas.

It is important to mention that for all of its problems, both relative and absolute, the United States are still a leading nation in many ways, being the global center for science of innovation, popular culture and independent art, which alone allows them to pull in the most talented people from all over the world. It's not only attractive to immigrants from poor countries, but also the best and brightest from everywhere, who can, with a bit of luck, make careers there that would be impossible anywhere else on Earth.

They are also the only superpower on this planet, have more soft (diplomatic, cultural) and hard (military) power than any other nation and by a massive gap that nobody will be able to come close to this century, if ever. Russia is a global pariah that is struggling to defeat a much smaller, poorer and weaker nation directly at its border and China has a far longer list of problems than the US, currently engaged in several genocides, is squandering its soft power with an arrogant, aggressive foreign policy that makes Trump look like a skilled diplomat and is hell-bent on repeating Russia's recent mistakes in Taiwan. America's military dominance is unpopular for a number of reasons globally, especially since Bush Jr. abused it and with Trump's recent remarks about Canada, Panama and Greenland, it creates worries everywhere, but one thing many critics are either knowingly or unknowingly ignoring is that it has also resulted in previously unprecedented levels of global stability and peace. There are so many conflicts around the globe that were limited or prevented entirely from escalating into full-on wars only by the simple act of sending a carrier group close to the right shore line - and sometimes even by just a sternly worded letter. The ability to wage three full-on wars anywhere on this planet against any other nation at the same time while still having more conventional firepower in reserve than anyone else is unique to the US - and it's the only thing that ensures the freedom of nations like Taiwan. And no, America could easily afford both having both the best military and best health care system in the world - their current health care system just is bloated and inefficient, with corrupt insurers being responsible for most of the cost.

This should answer the first part of the question.

I won't go into as much detail to answer the second part, because this comment is already long enough, but the gist of it is that it's very difficult to produce change in a system that is designed to be deliberately slow-changing, which can be discouraging. This was done to protect it from demagogues like Trump and it has to some degree worked, except that the "bad guys" like Republicans and foreign actors that support them can of course engage in the same slow grinding away at institutions that well-meaning activists are engaging in, which has resulted in the "two Americas" we have now, firmly democratically-governed states and cities vs. Republican ones, which are drifting apart further and further in terms of economic success, standard of living, human rights, etc. Faster and radical change has been attempted to various degrees of success. The Suffragettes, Roosevelt's New Deal and the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s are an example of significant change for the better happening comparatively swiftly, whereas the Occupy Wall Streets protests that occurred more recently are an example of a complete failure in every way.

I think the most difficult thing to accept for most Americans is that for all of their individuality, for all of their emphasis on being responsible for their own success and failures, the overwhelming majority of them are each mere single droplets in a current that will take them with them wherever it'll go, no matter what the individual is doing and thinking. There is nobody actually in control of this thing, not even their leaders. This isn't very different from the equally vast majority of other human beings now and throughout history, but it can be a very uncomfortable thought. There are just too many variables to this equation. This doesn't mean that equally determined and capable individuals can't produce a massive amount of change, but this is a once in a generation kind of thing. If you're not fine with being a small cog in a very large machine - and many people are not - then you'll be quickly discouraged, since even the most engaged activists are usually nothing more than that, which leads to high levels of attrition among such activists. Add to that the fact that it's costly (you have to take time off work, which is difficult if you're living paycheck to paycheck, like many Americans), risky and uncomfortable to engage in political activism and it's not really that surprising that there are perhaps not enough US citizens trying to defend and improve their country from the many issues that are primarily threatening it from within - with foreign actors like Russia, Iran and China having to do little more than fan the flames.

Who knows what will happen. Maybe Trump will screw up so badly that it'll birth a powerful new movement akin to Martin Luther King's that fundamentally changes the country - but given that American voters absolved him from killing more than one million of their own, I have my doubts.

It's not as bad as you probably think, and more people are "doing something about it" than you probably think.

But quiet progress doesn't make the news, neither does people following common sense, neither does the everyday prevention of tragedy. It's the loud backsliders, the senseless actions, and the unprevented tragedies that make news, so that's what you see, even though the former is overwhelmingly more prevalent.

One thing to keep in mind

the US is huge, both geographically and culturally. Flying from Los Angeles to Boston is further than London to Baghdad.

And likewise, the cultural "distance" between, say, New England or the Pacific Northwest and the deep south is extreme.

Of course there are things that affect (nearly) all Americans, but some context is important.

It sucks. We have been so thoroughly atomized through propaganda, trauma and attack that we have no real class consciousness. There is basically no organized left wing political movement, though there seems to be a (re)growing seed. Left leadership has traditionally be persecuted, assassinated or coopted. Unions have suffered all three and are now a shell of what they were once. Our political 'opposition' is liberals who fundamentally misdiagnose the problems and are scared of real (leftist) solutions.

It’s not necessarily that the U.S. is bad, or is choosing the worst option.

There are undoubtedly a lot of very intelligent and deep analysis on the topic, but here’s a pretty simplified explanation that I’m going to try to rush through because I should be doing something other than commenting a whole novel.

The American electoral system is completely fucked.
It was not designed for or implemented with the concept of political parties, and some of its fundamental assumptions are predicated on political parties not existing in order to function as a working democracy. However after the first election, political parties formed, and began working on codifying and entrenching their power. It’s like game theory run amok. The win condition is first past the pole, so there’s only one winner, and by default, if there’s more than 2 contenders, then the vote is split inefficiently, so naturally there can only be two major parties at a time. And the two parties must exist such a way that they do not dilute or share their power, so they do not modify the system to allow for the inclusion of other parties, or allow for the vote to be split. It’s unlikely the parties would pass laws that they know would dilute their own power, even if it also diluted the power of their opposition.
As a result, voters in the U.S. must either: Vote for the party that most closely aligns with their interests, vote against the party that aligns against their interests, or abstain from voting.
With only two options, it’s sometimes challenging to find a party or candidates that represent your interests. Many people in the U.S. feel that no party represents them, or that their vote simply does not matter. In 2024, a little more than 2/3 of eligible voters did not vote.

The process of financing and prosecuting elections in the U.S. is completely fucked.
Well before the 2011 Citizens United ruling, the U.S. had a lot of issues with voter suppression and voter turnout: Election Day is not a national holiday in the U.S. and many employers will simply tell their employees to figure out a time to vote that isn’t during work hours. Every state, and sometimes individual cities can execute elections differently, with different laws, however, so the experience is not consistent. Some places make voting more approachable, and some make it more difficult, but the federal government has limited authority over states when it comes to the election, so decisions about voting hours, whether to allow mail in voting, and the reasons for which mail in voting is allowable, are left up to various municipalities, creating a confusing patchwork that is a challenge to navigate by citizens. This lowers turnout to those who have the time and ability to navigate it all. Since 2011, unlimited corporate bribery has become the norm, and politicians are now nakedly bought and owned by corporate interests. Studies show that regardless of party or political belief, that most politicians align with donors way more than than the ‘rank and file’ voters, so the average person does not have the ability to impact the outcome of the laws that are passed.

The third leg of this, which I’m unfortunately out of time to really discuss, is the media, and the internet. But the U.S. isn’t shutting down TikTok over user data. It’s shutting it down because it could not influence the algorithm to viewpoints that were favorable to the political goals of the U.S. and its corporate sponsors. All the major platforms in the U.S. are somehow beholden to the U.S. government, save for, well, Lemmy.
And beyond that, you have corporate control of the media, and corporations that own vast swaths of the information that comes into the U.S.’s TV’s, newspapers, and inboxes. It’s impossible to get viewpoints that are not influenced or controlled by (again) the U.S. government or its corporate sponsors.

So if the public perception is controlled, the ability to vote is hampered, and the political parties have a noose braided out of dollars around their neck, then what does the average person do?

Go shoot a healthcare executive and watch major news networks freak the fuck out trying to villainize you while the government throws every possible law at you? Try to start your own political party and be drowned by the conspiracy of the two in power? Citizen-led voter initiatives, that are routinely challenged by monied interests and even the government themselves, when the citizenry don’t have hundreds of thousands of dollars in lawyer fees to fight frivolous lawsuits? Try to start an armed insurrection against the U.S.? Psh.

The citizenry of the U.S. are hostages, whether they believe it or not.

Depends on the part of the US.

It’s a country the size of the EU, so like, think about the political difference between Hungry and Sweden.

Like, the US system is a bit more centralized in many respects, but a lot of stuff is still very dependent on state and local politics. So just because some people say something crazy at the national level doesn’t mean that actually gets effectively implemented everywhere. A lot of the more outrageous stuff is also done at the state or local level.

Some states certainly are that bad but most aren’t, most are just… blegh. Many people with the means and bandwidth to get together and do something about the worst stuff end up moving, which sucks for those without the capability to do so.

Okay off topic but what the hell is beehaw? I went to the website and my eyes glazed over after the first 13 paragraphs.

Yes, it's real bad.

Our government exists to further enrich the wealthy - at absolutely any cost to people if Rs are in charge, or at almost any cost if it's the Ds turn.

50+ years of the ruling class completely ignoring the most basic pleas for a sane country has completely destroyed the expectation that the government exists to serve their population's interests.

Would you elaborate more about what you believe is 'bad'?

Because that would be inconvenient.

American culture is everything available at all times everywhere, and if it isn't it is a tragedy.

American propaganda playing on wide screen TVs 24/7, social media fills in the gaps.

It really is easy to see but hard to pinpoint on a personal level unless you are affected by whatever is currently happening that is the disaster/crime/injustice.

Long answer short: enough of the people are comfy in their worlds to give 2 shits.

I am an American native, EU resident visiting family for the first time in 6 years and....it's overwhelming to me.

the average American IQ is less than 100

We’re indoctrinated since grade-school. Pledge of allegiance is absolutely insane to put on children. And it doesn’t stop from there. Remember learning how great our country is in history and other classes? It’s terrible.