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Thanks y'all.
I'm from Maryland and I said "howdy" in New York and I got roasted by the CVS clerk for 2 full minutes. And then I said "do y'all have Tylenol" in hopes that she could point me in the direction. Another minute of her roasting me...
Roast her back
Y'all left y'uns out of the map
I thought y'all was just a gender neutral term combining you and all.
How would it be wrong or offensive to refer to refer to trans person as "y'all"? Genuine question.
We are afraid to use common greetings now? How about we all refer to each other as "carbon units"?
Second person never has a gender in English. Saying "you" should also be fine, or "thee" if you feel like getting your quaker on.
Special requests notwithstanding - the platinum rule here is just to accommodate whatever you reasonably can.
How you fuckers doing, eh?
Fwiw, second person is fine as long as there's no misgendering... It's like calling someone by their name
I would have thought that βyβallβ is even more so gender neutral and therefore less offensive/more accepted. Itβs a contraction of βyou allβ right?
Iβm from Australia and Iβve started calling all groups of people yall because itβs gender neutralβ¦ very unaustralian term, and I love so much the irony of iconic southern terms being used to support trans activism
I'm German and I use y'all all the time when speaking English. it's funny, most of my English is from the internet so it's the most crazy mix of english
Why bother with importing y'all when we already have yous (or youse depending on how you want to spell it)? Or you could just treat 'you guys' as gender neutral, it effectively is these days with how people use it.
A lot of trans femmes myself included cannot see 'guys' as gender neutral no matter how hard we try and so do not like it.
That's rough. That said as a trans woman (no idea what a trans-femme is) I don't see a problem with it in the context of "you guys".
I use "dude" as a general exclamation towards my own also-trans gf sometimes even. Really y'all oughta chill on the language policing. If you pass people will treat you like the gender you look like, if you don't, they won't really, no matter how much they try, and your main issue is not passing and thus money which can fix that, not other people and their language use.
Oof. Passing is an archaic concept, just use the language for people that doesn't make them feel uncomfortable.
A trans femme is someone who tries to make themselves look more 'femme' often through taking estrogen etc, it can refer to trans women as well but also refers to those who don't completely identify or at all as a woman, see nonbinary folks for example. It's kind of a catch all term.
Who said anything bout language policing? I was merely saying for myself. I think passing is a pointless binary concept and not even all cis women 'pass'. So I'm not all that interested in passing 100%, just being happy to be me.
People who claim "guys" is gender neutral would most often only count men when asked the question "How many guys did you sleep with in your life?"
Until I find a single person who immediately thinks of people of any gender at that question, I will not fall for the internalized misogyny of "'guys' is gender neutral" meme. (Same with "dudes" and all the other ones I've seen over the years. I've even seen someone say "bro" is gender neutral.)
Y'all reminds me of the bible belt. I'm not transgender but I am queer and now and then it makes me uncomfortable.
Queer people who live in the bible belt still say "y'all". It literally means "you all".
explaining the etymology doesn't really change anything. I don't know why you thought that would make me stop associating it with the bible belt.
as a trans person, I'm not offended by y'all in the slightest
I'm from New Jersey and have never heard anyone unironically say "youse guys". Side note we also don't call it "Joisey".
I'm not from the south and use "y'all" all the time. Find it very useful for filling in a gap that English has and slightly faster than saying "you all". Its gender neutral in my opinion.
Never once thought of it as offensive.
I'll throw in "folks" as another gender neutral option. I say "you folks" all the time, especially in professional contexts. I'm not from the South, but I have family there so y'all is a part of my vocabulary. I use it in more informal situations pretty commonly.
I bought a shirt once in Pittsburgh that says, βYinz is a gender-neutral p pronounβ
We need a better second person plural in English. Y'all works but its a big language gap
I can't speak for anyone else, but you seem to be missing the biggest issue with this map: saying "you guys" excludes anyone but those identifying as male. You may not mean it that way, but I've had women be offended when I used that in the past, and I wouldn't like being referred to as a "gal" in a group of women. It's just not accurate.
Personally, for a gender-neutral way of addressing a group, I like "you folks".
English is not my native language. I felt kinda weird about using "you guys" until I heard a woman that used "you guys" to a 100% woman group. I stopped caring about that shit because natural languages are weird and it all doesn't matter. What matters is the intention of what you say, not its form. Y'all should stop caring about fixing other people's speech too.
βοΈπ€ - HR sounding ass
βοΈπ€ - ignoring the impact of inherently masculine gendered language on non-men sounding ass
Sincerely, a trans woman
Your overthinking is what makes you offended.
And which minority group do you belong to that makes you an expert on their issues?
Alternate reply: oh no my feewings you win
Empathy and caring how others want to be referred to is HR?? Lol, wild...
Trust me there are many more areas that say y'all
Maine I think loops back around to yβall territoryβ¦
As someone that grew up in y'all territory in Kansas, it's wildly easy to connect to people from Maine!
