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[–] outerspace@lemmy.zip 55 points 3 days ago (1 children)

More like "you guys have users?"

(I use Linux btw)

[–] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 days ago

I was going to down vote you to oblivion but then saw you use Linux. You are allowed to diss on it then.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 32 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

More like

Microsoft ... I make billions spying
Google .... I make billions spying
Apple .... I make billions spying

Linux .... you guys make money spying?

[–] ReversalHatchery 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

google through only the web, what a fucking joke. if you have a google account check your activity history. it will list the times you have opened an app.

if you don't have a google account but your phone has google services, don't be afraid that you can't check it, they're still harvesting it.

want to avoid it?
Step 0: don't by samsung. xiaomi neither, they plan to make you unable to execute the next step.
Step 1: unlock your phone. take ownership into your hands. but back up your photos, the 2FA Authenticator app's data and whatever else is important, because it will get deleted.
Step 2: install a privacy oriented custom ROM.
Step 3: profit

keep bank services contained in the firefox browser. if they don't allow access there, switch banks, you'll be better off with a smaller one anyways.

[–] ReversalHatchery 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

GrapheneOS for google pixel phones, otherwise CalyxOS, DivestOS, maybe even IodéOS. All of these are Android but with better defaults, without irremovable spying garbage, and with some features nowhere else available.

if your phone is not supported by these, check LineageOS. or plan your next phone purchase according to the compatibility list of the above. if you're going for longevity but you don't need a flagship, Fairphone is agood choice, if you can look away from the lack of a JACK.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

If all else fails, you can try using whatever the lastest community supported fork of Universal Android Debloater is. It uses ADB to remove bloatware, which bypasses vendor locks on keeping certain apps installed.

Obviously no real replacement for custom ROMs, but it's better than nothing.

[–] ReversalHatchery 1 points 3 days ago

That's undoubtedly useful, but won't help with the google part, even if it uninstalls some google apps

[–] undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I’m a broken record: block Google (or whomever) with network-based blocking (IP and/or DNS), these guys have third-party tracking in virtually every website and app.

[–] _pi@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Almost every B2C company I've worked at, I've written or had my devs write proxies for whatever trackers we use. The reality is that every company to whom this data matters to figure out their business model will proxy their trackers. If they don't they need to fire their lead engineers.

It's actually pretty easy to disguise this traffic even to the point where you can use the originating server/cdn to interleave the tracking with the content source.

[–] undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Proxy? Is it that hard to figure out how to bundle and serve assets from the same domain? 😂

[–] _pi@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's not about serving assets it's about hiding telemetry from adblockers, dns filters, ip lists, etc.

[–] ReversalHatchery 2 points 1 day ago

businesses are truly developing malware

[–] ReversalHatchery 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

as an additional measure, sure. but these blocks are not hard to circumvent, so it's not enough in itself

[–] undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They’re not hard to circumvent, sure but then why am I so effectively blocking almost everything not tied to the “real” first-party domains?

[–] ReversalHatchery 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

because they don't yet circumvent it. but also, are you completely sure everything is blocked? DoT, DoH traffic and such?

[–] undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Well I MITM myself quite often to confirm it. I’m also smashing together hundreds of blocklists, and I always check the network tab of my browser’s developer tools and very rarely see anything coming from third-party domains.

Sure, sometimes assets are on the actual domain I’m visiting (or its CDN) but most of the time, even tracking scripts there are broken because they still call the blocked scripts.

By the way, it’s hilarious that everyone wants to fight so hard about this yet when someone says “use an adblocker” nobody says anything as if it’s the end-all solution.

I didn’t say “I have a bulletproof, surefire way to fix this.” I said “use network-based blocking.” However effective that is is up to the person implementing it; you have no idea how effective my setup is because you don’t have access to its configuration.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I feel like MS and Google should be switched. Web probably has more harvestable info. Plus phones.

[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Phones is absolutely a valid point these days, IMO OS > web + web browser in terms of what you can get.

MS and google both know what porn you are looking at. What you buy from your PC etc... MS knows how much time you are spending playing games + has screenshots of all your encrypted conversations etc...

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 1 points 12 hours ago

There are so few native desktop apps these days, it's all on the web.
And the browser can glean a lot more about user interaction than just web traffic, like where you hover, what parts of the page you're interacting with, etc.
That's why I said that (combined with phone), Google probably knows more.

But it's probably a pretty close competition

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago

The OS handles all the network requests, can take screenshots, and track your eyes

But yeah Google Linux is way more popular than Windows for personal use

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago

spy

Spy ON.