I guess the world burning was worth sticking it to Kamala for Gaza.
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I guess Gaza being 100% fucked was worth losing the presidency for Democrats.
Well they'll try. Unfortunately for oil and coal companies, China exists.
Unfortunately, climate action is a collective effort globally. With him being in the pocket of Big Oil, expect no further investment into renewables and increased coal mining, fracking, and oil drilling.
Anyone who cared about climate and voted for him (or abstained/voted third party) basically fucked themselves and everybody else.
That's nice, but Americans and American companies can't afford non renewable energy. Trump needs to triple subsidies over the next 4 years to keep them competitive with renewable energy.
Just a reminder, Trump is not more corrupt or well bribed than Texas, and Texas is one of the largest producers of renewable energy in the Western hemisphere. Money wins over ideology, and there's a lot more money to be had with solar and wind given the now low upfront costs and nearly non-existent maintenance costs compared to all fossil fuels.
I hope you're right. I don't really see that in practice, as we slow walk that transition.
Counterpoint, Alberta exists and low costs benefit the consumer, not the company. I am fully confident that the profit made by oil and gas is significantly more than the tight profit margins in renewables, which means far less money to throw at politicians. Oil and gas can therefore throw much more money at Trump and still be in the black on their ‘investment’, even if you ignore that Trump has deep ideological and political opposition to renewables.
Renewables don't have tight profit margins, you're think of nuclear, maybe hydro.
Solar approaches a 100% profit margin after 20 years, wind only ever gets to 90ish but still has the same timeline. Without subsidies, neither oil or coal gets profitable.
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As well as changes to the EPA, NOAA, etc. Talking about climate change might become dangerous. Asking for help from FEMA may weigh heavily on how your state voted.
Anyone who cared about climate and voted for him
i think that intersection is very small.
Which is why I also included abstainers. Not large groups on their own, but enough to swing an election
But per capita, China is pumping way less greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere than the USA. And much of China's industry only exists to sell cheap goods to Western countries.
China also built more high-speed rail in a decade than the US has in it's entirety. Not to mention how fast they're producing electric cars and solar panels.
That's what I mean, oil and coal companies can try regression, but China is already able to export the means for countries and communities to create their own power cheaper than those groups could buy power from fossil fuels companies.
That's what tarrifs are for.
Tariffs issued by the US will only harm the US, and so on. The anti China block represents an extreme minority of people in the planet and an ever shrinking percentage of total industry and energy use. More and more countries are choosing brics
Tarrifs will temporarily and artificially prop up USA oil gas and car manufactures at the expense of the US taxpayer
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Chinese policy doesn't give a shit about climate change. In fact, Xi is banking on a Northern passageway to Europe permanently unthawing to avoid the partly US-controlled South China Sea.
Xi cares about staying in power until he drops in the 2030s, for that he neess to keep the country stable and the people quiet. So what he really wants is industrial power and rising welfare. He's found that one of the best ways to gain an edge that is to spur useful innovation that wealthier nations will want to adopt.
What this means is that we'll see a lot of climate-friendly technology coming out of China, but the country may not care much about cleaning up its footprint.
Even if you are right I'll take doing the right thing for the wrong reasons over the fucking disappointment and self destruction coming from the United States.
Doesn't matter how you spin it, China is objectively better for the world right now.
You can feel morally superior all the way to societal collapse
Tbh, doesn't feel good pinning hopes on China, but I'll take what I can get at this point.
You're right in that the whole drill-baby-drill thing is utter self-destruction which may still work passably over the course of the next four years but not beyond. The IRA right now is solid industrial policy and I wish us Europeans were competing. (Wild guess though, the repeal of the IRA will go much like the repeal of the ACA last time around.)
However, my point is that China is in a phase where it's doing more with more, and its motivation is such that that will stay that way. The only reason Chinese emissions are stagnating right now is that their economy is faltering. At this point, the Jevons paradox is simply eating their renewable power/electric car/... gains. Granted, that is preferable to them continuing to buy ever more fossil-fueled cars.
The motivation for producing this technology will, to a degree, determine the outcome: Solar panels off Temu, delivered to your doorstep using a fossil-fueled plane are a thing that exists.
What happens when the importing blocs (US and EU) rethink their climate policy (because right-wing morons think that's a good idea)? Chinese products will adapt quickly.
China is objectively better for the world right now.
lol
ok educate me. On the topic of climate in which ways has (or will) the United States be better? I'd appreciate the optimistic perspective.
Does the argument extend beyond China bad?
When the people in China can go outside in public without wearing filtration masks I'll consider start taking their environmental approaches more seriously.
What century are you from? The localized pollution problems you're referring to have been resolved. I know you won't trust any source anyone here provides, so go ahead and look it up. Just because you got used to your government being useless and slow, doesn't mean other governments are the same.
What you're bringing up, even if true, would be explained equally well by population density.
China's per capita emissions are lower than the US and Canada https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-per-capita/
They're also innovating and leading in solar technology and cheap EVs.
You're pointing at subjective and anecdotal "evidence" where are your hard stats?
ok educate me
here, educate yourself: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20696000-the-hundred-year-marathon
Does the argument extend beyond China bad?
when your argument is "china good", then "china bad" absolutely is valid rebuttal.
Do you have any real sources, like scientific sources, anything written by someone not intending to get paid massive amounts for their work?
well hello there, chinese intelligence officer.
we in the western civilization are usually getting paid for our work and don't consider that as discreditation of said work. also, the author of the book, is, among others, researcher at Harvard, so he is the literal scientist.
Michael Pillsbury is the director of the Center on Chinese Strategy at the Hudson Institute and has served in presidential administrations from Richard Nixon to Barack Obama. Educated at Stanford and Columbia Universities, he is a former analyst at the RAND Corporation and research fellow at Harvard and has served in senior positions in the Defense Department and on the staff of four U.S. Senate committees. He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and the International Institute for Strategic Studies. He lives in Washington, D.C.
Buddy is a Western Patriot fighting the good fight. Go get em tiger, your emotional zeal is steadfast in the face of data and logic. America is truly amazing and the best at climate. You caught a vuvuzelan spy working for Xi.
How did treating all dissent as Russian/Chinese bots/trolls work out this election? Not very well. Because they mostly don't exist.
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Ukraine is fucked Taiwan is probably fucked Europe is probably fucked Palestine is fucked The world climate is fucked
Did I miss anything?
Economists think his economic plan will crash the dollar and, by extension, the world markets.
But in brighter news, Flint Michigan has clean water as of a few months ago...
Migrants in America are fucked as well. Mass deportation, if they are lucky, if not they kill them.
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the environment. everything. roe vs wade was because of the judiciary but now they control all the levers.
As if Harris would have done something for the climate
She has done something for the climate in the past and unlike Trump actually understands that climate change is real.
Biden/Harris significantly strengthened the oil oligarchy. Posing an existential threat to Russia resulted in 3%+ of global diesel use for the war, and eliminates all possibility of Russia cooperating on global warming. Heating fuel high prices (same refining fraction as diesel) helped drive inflation complaints, and Biden/Harris could never suggest ending the war on Russia to fix inflation. Tariffs on solar, batteries, emobility, and EVs are pro-oil oligarchy as well. Steel tariffs are limiting any reindustrialization chances.
Any priority greater than climate sustainability, war and oil profits for example, ensures climate destruction. "Needing" the US to dominate a "slow energy transition" is placing an unnecessary priority above climate sustainability. Trusting the US as an ally ensures climate destruction. Japan and ROK abandonned their renewable energy targets during Biden administration to help US oil oligarchy.
While Trump may try to destroy US clean energy production and adoption, a war on Iran is likely to be divisive, though it is unclear Harris would have stopped it. Very high oil prices from a war on Iran will put the US on the razor's edge of collapse. Terrorism costs, war expense, inflation, will motivate leveraged dead ender energy investments throughout world, while simultaneously strengthening China/BRICs and demand destruction for FFs.
If there is no war on Iran, and peace in Ukraine, then lower oil prices will stop more US drilling. More US drilling will result in more OPEC production and accelerated price drops that discourage drilling. Like Biden, it is only war that will destroy climate. Trump will strengthen China even more than Biden did. The US is never likely to prioritize climate sustainability over clinging to desperate death throws over its hegemony.
Trump, by accelerating US collapse, will do more for climate sustainability than you think. Individual states and NATO vassals will take more responsibility for global warming.
Sorry, but accelerationism only gets us a lasting fascism. It doesn't get us the kid of stable world where people can substitute wind and solar for fossil fuels
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10 dollars say that trump will die in office, soon, and his extremist successor will install himself as a theocratic dictator
The way I see it, it's not too late to organize another Jan. 6th. If I had the means and ability to make it over and help with a Democrat version, I would no questions asked. Anything for the sake of preventing that fascist from re-entering the oval office. I'm at the point where I'm all for Dems going violently radical against the fascists.
If one does get organized, I'd be willing to chip in a small amount of money out of my financial aid in order to aid the right side of history.
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