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[–] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 73 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (11 children)

Holy shit that got spicy. I was not expecting a Ukrainian and a Serb to start bickering back and forth while stacking racks over the level of support a country gave to the Nazis in WW2 on a kernel mailing list like they were in the comments here on Lemmy.

I get that tensions are high, and for many people the geopolitical reality is their homes being used as cover on an active front line, but like bro your actual fucking name is attached to these messages. At least I keep my most unhinged shit on a semi-anonymous platform. They need to lock it the fuck up.

Edit - jfc, a few messages later somebody comes in with something along the lines of “Taiwan isn’t a country, it’s part of China. When reunification comes sanctions won’t be appropriate against Chinese entities.” Is Lemmy just a front end for this mailing list and I had no idea this entire time?

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 29 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I thought you were joking, but yup they actually started quizzing eachother on WW2.

It's not the end of Linux by any means, but that's gonna be hard to work together afterwards

[–] IrritableOcelot 25 points 3 weeks ago

Jeeeeez that was a lot. I get the sense that the kernel has worked as well as it has because people saw it as separate from geopolitics and so didnt discuss them...now that politics has wedged its way in I feel like it may have opened that door permanently.

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 25 points 3 weeks ago

At least I keep my most unhinged shit on a semi-anonymous platform.

🔥

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago

They are not wrong though Taiwan isn’t a country. They have never declared independence their government has never officially given up their claim of being the rightful ruler of China. I have no idea why none of these have not been done.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

this is great 🍿🍿🍿

[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not even Taiwan claims to be a country though. They claim to be the sole legitimate government of China, hence their actual name, The Republic Of China, and not "republic of taiwan" or some other thing.

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not even Taiwan claims to be a country though. They claim to be the sole legitimate government of China, hence their actual name, The Republic Of China,

Isn't that, by definition, calling yourself a country?

[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

Wrong phrasing on my part.

No matter which side you ask, the Republic Of China (ROC) or the People's Republic of China (PRC) Taiwan isn't a country, it is a region of the country of China. Saying that Taiwan is a country satisfies neither the ROC nor the PRC's claims

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 43 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Damn there are a surprising number of maintainers that are comrades and not taking this lying down from the western supremacist cohort.

Linus opened up a massive can of worms and turned this into a geopolitical conflict by acting like a baby.

This comment by Hantong Chen is great:

Hi James,

Here's what Linus has said, and it's more than just "sanction."

Moreover, we have to remove any maintainers who come from the following countries or regions, as they are listed in Countries of Particular Concern and are subject to impending sanctions:

  • Burma, People’s Republic of China, Cuba, Eritrea, Iran, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Nicaragua, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Tajikistan, and Turkmenistan.
  • Algeria, Azerbaijan, the Central African Republic, Comoros, and Vietnam.

For People’s Republic of China, there are about 500 entities that are on the U.S. OFAC SDN / non-SDN lists, especially HUAWEI, which is one of the most active employers from versions 5.16 through 6.1, according to statistics. This is unacceptable, and we must take immediate action to address it, with the same reason.

[–] ReakDuck@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Wasn't Huawei trying to put a Backdoor into linux?

If yes, I see why they finally want to restrict maintainers to countries they can trust

[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Wasn’t Huawei trying to put a Backdoor into linux?

as far as i know, that has not happened.

what makes you think it did?

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

For starters they're in the backdoor business

[–] ReakDuck@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Articles back in the days.

I found a random one now. Maybe I got just clickbaited with titles back then. I dunno

https://securityboulevard.com/2020/12/was-this-huaweis-failed-attempt-at-a-linux-backdoor/

[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Funny that blog calls it a "failed attempt at a backdoor" while neglecting to mention that the grsec post (which it does link to and acknowledges is the source of the story) had been updated months prior to explicitly refute that characterization:

5/22/2020 Update: This kind of update should not have been necessary, but due to irresponsible journalists and the nature of social media, it is important to make some things perfectly clear:

Nowhere did we claim this was anything more than a trivially exploitable vulnerability. It is not a backdoor or an attempted backdoor, the term does not appear elsewhere in this blog at all; any suggestion of the sort was fabricated by irresponsible journalists who did not contact us and do not speak for us.

There is no chance this code would have passed review and be merged. No one can push or force code upstream.

This code is not characteristic of the quality of other code contributed upstream by Huawei. Contrary to baseless assertions from some journalists, this is not Huawei's first attempt at contributing to the kernel, in fact they've been a frequent contributor for some time.

[–] ReakDuck@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

Damn, I have been thinking bad about them for too long for shitty journalism

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 32 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

What were Linus comments that precipitated this?

The rage comes from LF actions and Linus words. All they had to do was to say: Thank you people for your contribution but we have no other choice, this is the law. But they did quite the opposite and Linus showed his true ugly white western supremacy face for all to see. That is the cause of the rage.

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 19 points 3 weeks ago

This will be a nothing burger in 6 months

[–] jaypatelani@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml 38 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Linus Torvalds has been sold out to big tech companies like Google and Microsoft. He himself is a billionaire and no longer writes any code.

I can't take that seriously

[–] sudo@programming.dev 11 points 3 weeks ago

Still hosted on GitHub, a property of MicroSoft.

[–] ulkesh 4 points 2 weeks ago

That's because it's pure bullshit. And this repo will be deleted or abandoned in a month.

[–] moonlight@fedia.io 9 points 3 weeks ago

Doesn't Linux already have a bunch of forks? I'm using the CachyOS kernel, for example

[–] shekau@lemmy.today 7 points 3 weeks ago

🤣🤣🤣