I'm no fanboy but Windows just sucks for anything portable. At first I was exited to see how manufacturers would pivot to adopt linux for their portables. Now it's just watching flop after flop.
this post was submitted on 22 May 2024
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Same. I just can't imagine using anything other than Linux for this kinda handheld. Like, I'm mainly a Windows user and I can't imagine trying to use windows on my steam deck. When you want to make a gaming-focueed handheld like this, you want as much performance as you can squeeze out of the hardware. You're not doing that with windows.
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I'm following Bazzite's development closely because I feel like that'll be the saving grace for all the gaming handhelds that are windows-only at the moment. If Bazzite matches or supplants SteamOS then I might consider a device like an ROG Ally.
I would definitely consider Bazzite as a good upgrade for those devices, but until Asus fixes their warranty issue, hardware issues, and adds track pads, I'm not really interested in their hardware.
I really appreciate knowing that valve will fix any issues that come up.
but until Asus fixes their warranty issue,
Since before 2011, I don't think this is happening anytime soon.
Especially with their responses over the last ~5 years/ So many controversies. So many horrible responses. I wish so dearly that people would stop buying from ASUS because they do not deserve our business.
I used bazzite on my ROG Ally for a couple of days before I went back to windows because it didn’t reliably work. Crashes abound and some games that work fine on my Steam Deck just refused to open.
Hopefully one day it gets ironed out.
How long ago did you try this?
I've been keeping up with Bazzite and Chimera, and it looks like they've made some progress.
The ROG Ally is listed at gold level compatibility, denoting it requires a few workarounds and has some caveats. I would not be able to get over having no control over the LEDs, so I'll keep an eye out for a bit later as well.
Like less than a month ago.
Yeah I tried it last night just to fuck around and so much stuff doesn't work properly.
When you flip into desktop mode it just immediately crashes.
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Every single one of the competitors I've seen makes at least two of the following mistakes, each of which means they don't stand a chance:
- Windows
- Display resolution > 720p
- No trackpads
- Awful layout
I could do without the trackpads but everything else I agree on.
Maybe you could, but the whole point of the steam deck is the ability to play any PC game, and most require mouse input to play well. Most people would be unwilling to make that tradeoff
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Unless it runs Linux it doesn't stand a chance. The moment you decide to sell a handheld gaming console running Windows you doom it to failure. It's the worst OS possible for that purpose.
Nope, there are plenty worse...
z/os, Temple OS, OpenBSD, React OS and others.
Sorry, I am just feeling pedantic, it is late and I am about to get some sleep...
Are you honestly telling me you wouldn't buy a Temple OS handheld?
Only if it were bound handsomely in leather with gilt lettering, as befits its divine purpose.
I mean, not for gaming...
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Windows is the main reason I never got one of those PC handhelds even though they have been around for a very long time.
Never really felt like a handheld, more like an unwieldly laptop.
To be honest I was recently forced back into Windows by my employer recently and I don't get it's good for :p
Control. It's metrics and data mining all the way up.
What's funny is that when I learned about system admin, it was all Linux.
The thing is, none of the competitors and rivals are competitors and rivals to Valve. Every sold device that can play Steam games, is a win. Unlike traditional consoles, Valve only benefits from competition. The Steam Deck kicked off a trend and made handheld PCs popular for the "masses" (relatively speaking off course).
Besides that, any handheld PC with Windows is just not at the same level of Steam Deck. The few more games that are playable is a plus, but the entire system is such a downgrade for a gaming first device.
Valve has a larger goal though of making Linux a viable alternative to Windows for gamers. The whole reason valve has made some much effort on Linux gaming is because Microsoft scared them when Microsoft started making plans to block software installs from anywhere except the Microsoft store.
Microsoft has backed off from that plan some since, but many new new computers running windows are in "s mode" by default which limits software to Microsoft store only. It can be disabled if you have administrator privileges and know how, but it's still an example of Microsoft trying to shift towards a future where all PC games have to be bought through their store.
This is also why steam jumped at the chance to work with Google on getting steam on Chrome OS.
Is S mode really that popular? I've never seen that in an enterprise setting. End users won't want S mode because it will limit functionality.
Basically all cheaper laptops come in S mode now, and a lot of people don't know that they can turn it off. They also made it where the only option for disabling it requires you to first create a Microsoft account and use the Microsoft store, so you're required to use their preferred method for software distribution before you can choose to use something else.
It's a lot better than Microsoft's original plan for S mode, originally it was going to be a completely separate windows build, and end users would have to buy a new windows key and reinstall windows if they wanted to use steam.
I don't think any of the enterprise builds of windows use S mode right now, but I'm not sure.
I had a Kyocera Slider, once. I loved to open and close that thing, and it was basically a fidget device. I also had an LG Chocolate 2 and 3, and the physical keyboard was fantastic.
This handheld incorporates both, but I really don't know if it can work in this form factor. Part of the reason it worked on the phones is they were relatively small, but with a wide handheld with joycons on either side, it seems like it would be clunky.
I miss sliding/rotating phones. In general new phones were really exciting back then.
Yeah, I'm not sure how to actually use this keyboard. You can't type with two hands and hold it up with two hands at the same time, and it'll be easy too wife to thumb type while holding it.
I'm skeptical. The dual-trackpad typing on the Deck is pretty slick, too. With each thing controlling half the keyboard, it feels very similar to "real" typing, and it's fast enough for the light use that's needed for most gaming-related tasks. So, this is a very big (and therefore expensive) component to be including fire very limited value.
If I really need to type a lot or quickly, I can grab my cheap Bluetooth keyboard (that would cost way less than the marginal cost of including a sliding keyboard like this one!)
Is Valve even truly interested in being part of the competition? All their hardware offerings seem more like prototypes or proofs of concept, and the details for other manufacturers to build on the idea are available. Like their strategy to inject competition in these spheres is more just lighting a fire under the asses of other manufacturers to get them making the hardware instead of Valve.
Yeah. I get the feeling that Valve would be more than happy for people to make competitors to the Steam Deck as long as it had the Steam store on it.
as long as it can run steam, its a win for them.
think of steam machines, steam controllers and steam links before the the deck.
the goal with most (excluding vr) of valves hardware has been to appeal to the console player audience.
it doesnt matter who builds those things at the end, as long as they bring more users Into their ecosystem
To be honest, any hardware company can't really compete with valve toe to toe since valves can cut cost and sell at a loss. But I am interested in how the so-called steam competitor would make the same handheld device. I'm waiting for you Tim Epic.
Please for the love of God no Whatever epic released would be half baked and make the entire gaming ecosystem worse
See I'm really split on Epic.
The corporate side is absolute trash, but UE5 is genuinely one of the most advanced game engines currently in existence and will massively push the industry forward in terms of standards as everyone rushes to compete (except for Unity who are sticking with their old strategy of doing nothing at all).
Microsoft will probably come out with an Xbox branded device some day, but I expect it will be restricted to Microsoft store games and game pass.
Yep, this is more in line with what I expect as a steam deck competitor. We'll just see if they can provide more value to customers than steam while also making good hardware to support it.
To be honest, any hardware company can’t really compete with valve toe to toe since valves can cut cost and sell at a loss.
So far most of the companies that have tried it could have taken the same approach. They just haven't, like MSI and ASUS. I'm guessing because they know they don't need to, since there's a demographic of people who will buy "the best" as long as it's marketed at them. Why sell it at a loss when someone will pay over full price for something like the ROG Ally.
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It's crazy that Microsoft hasn't made an interface for Windows for handhelds like this. They're leaving money on the table.
I mean, Ive been begging for a new media and gaming mode since the failed Windows XP Media Center Edition.
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This keyboard seems worse than any virtual keyboard 😅
I have a Rii mini keyboard as a remote control for YouTube, when I sit back. Typing anything on such a keyboard is a struggle and usually don't type on it. The integrated keyboard from the handheld in the picture doesn't look particularly good either. But I have to say, with such a small screen and especially with Windows not optimized for this task, such a keyboard is probably better than having none.
Alternative would be using a virtual keyboard on a small screen, which overlaps parts of it and does not have the greatest touch input screen. Look how small the screen is. Such a small 6" screen is only an option for smartphones, but not for an operating system like Windows with a regular desktop to play games on it. Therefore, such an integrated keyboard is probably a good idea. Even if it sucks.
It's gotta have a massive battery unless it's running AAA games for like 15 minutes...
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