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New Vatican document lists ‘grave violations’ of human dignity (www.vaticannews.va)

submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by Quexotic to c/news

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This transphobic, anti-gender theory, anti-abortion doctrine of theirs has me completely done with them.

I'm not a rageaholic, but you wouldn't know it when I heard this story come on my news feed. Profanities that came out of me were full-throated, long-winded, and unbecoming.

I was raised Catholic and for a long time since they decided to bless same-sex marriages I was okay with the Catholic Church but what do you know? Just like that. Now I'm anti-Catholic.

They're basically saying that everyone is made perfect in God's image and that by changing your sex your violating that perfection and somehow violating your own dignity? Like, they're trying to say that changing your gender is separating yourself from your soul somehow? I'm done with these people.

Here is a link to the actual document that they produced. Would you believe it took him 5 years to come up with this garbage?

Forgive me if this is the wrong place to post this.

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[–] TheRtRevKaiser 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I sympathize with you. I didn't grow up catholic, but rather evangelical, but I can understand the realization that the people who taught you to love others have an ideology that is profoundly hateful. I remember the bewilderment and confusion that goes along with that realization. I didn't leave the faith altogether, although at times it felt like I would, but I'm in a dramatically different place than I was a decade ago for sure.

All that to say that I understand at least a little of what you're going through, and I'm sorry you're grappling with this. It helped me to realize that there are believers out there that think differently, and that the transphobes, homophobes, racists, and reactionaries don't own the faith.

[–] Quexotic 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Thank you ❤️. It's harder because I thought they were actually becoming more progressive. I just can't tolerate this kind of intolerance.

[–] lupec@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I respect your reaction a lot. The world would be a much more pleasant place if more people were willing to look past their comfort zone and see institutionalized hate for what it is.

[–] Quexotic 3 points 7 months ago

Thank you.

[–] Emtity_13@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Some are, unfortunately they are the minority, and are stuck just trying to please the majority

[–] Quexotic 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What I've observed is that inside the Catholic Church it's seen as something quite similar to American politics where you have the left and the right and they're both pushing separate agendas within the organization and it truly is just as political and it truly is just as divided but the problem is what they're doing here is making a statement that represents the entire organization and that statement is gut-wrenchingly bigoted.

After a certain point regardless of where you stand if an organizations doctrine is in disagreement with your own values You've got to just leave and the problem is a lot of the progressives just won't leave Catholicism.

Hopefully this statement changes that and they see a mass exodus. Pun intended.

[–] Emtity_13@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Pretty much, I'm not sure it's possible for a human made organization to not fall into decadence after a time.

[–] Quexotic 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately that time has long passed. Have you ever heard of plenary indulgences?

[–] Emtity_13@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yerp, it's long past

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

This includes "all offences against life itself, such as murder, genocide, abortion, euthanasia, and willful suicide” must be recognized as contrary to human dignity ", but also "all violations of the integrity of the human person, such as mutilation, physical and mental torture, undue psychological pressures ".

And, finally, it includes "all offences against human dignity, such as subhuman living conditions, arbitrary imprisonment, deportation, slavery, prostitution, the selling of women and children, degrading working conditions where individuals are treated as mere tools for profit rather than free and responsible persons".

It also says that sex change threatens dignity.

[–] Quexotic 6 points 7 months ago

What I don't understand is how they can get so much so right but so much of it so terribly wrong.

It feels like double think.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Selling of men is A-ok? Why do they separate it like that?

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think it's just that women and children are trafficked more often, lol

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 4 points 7 months ago

I bet. But it’s still weird to say that instead of human trafficking.

[–] lupec@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I've been done with them for most of my life by now but I really didn't think they could sound much more bigoted, at least not this loudly. Joke's on me, I guess! This tacitly endorses several major human rights issues going on right now.

They've been saying the quiet part out loud for a while when it comes to gay people while also trying here and there to pay lip service to them since it's not as socially acceptable to hate on that particular minority anymore. This though, is as official and hateful a middle finger as it gets with no punches pulled, particularly at gender diverse folks. At this point I can only hope it leads to more followers realizing the institution is rotten to the core and distancing themselves from them, much like yourself.

[–] Quexotic 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I think we're really gets me is that they're trying to play both sides right? They're willing to have priests bless gay marriages but that's as far as it'll go. They stand up for human rights... until it comes to abortion, surrogacy, and bodily autonomy.

They're just hell-bent on being on the wrong side of history.

[–] lupec@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, at the of the day whatever they claim comes from dogma is king so being gay/women having bodily autonomy will always be considered some form of sin, regardless of how much they try to be "welcoming" to the people whose actions they claim are inherently sinful.

As a queer person I'm definitely biased, but I've always seen acts like those as empty gestures, a mockery of what actual empathy and acceptance are supposed to be. I just don't see how those can truly flourish within organized religion as I've known it, my way or the highway is how it all works by design so it's a lost cause as far as I'm concerned.

[–] Quexotic 2 points 7 months ago

I suppose eventually their karma will run over their dogma.