Nice! The outdated kernel was one of the main reasons why I never recommended using Mint. Now, if they can do something about their other outdated packages like Mesa - and switch to Wayland - I'd be happy to recommend Mint.
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I'll start using Mint... heck, any version of Linux... as soon as they introduce a proper UI for a plethora of system settings. If I ever have to use a command line for anything but THE most esoteric, potentially system-damaging scenarios, the O/s has failed in my book. (Windows user since 3.1, never lasted more than a day with Linux)
Windows settings are notoriously confusing, and absolute majority of things can currently be resolved in various Linux environments via GUI.
I honestly don't remember when I last opened the terminal. Using Manjaro KDE on my main machine right now.
I no longer use Linux Mint, but I really enjoyed the decade I spent on it. The kernel change seems like a good move considering Mint is targeted towards desktop users.
So what made you switch after so long?
Man just when audio in Linux got decently stable and functional, now we have to switch to some new shit. I run Ubuntu 23.10 that has pipewire and mostly it works but then sometimes it starts crackling, audio turns on and off, skipping, or random muting.
I'm getting so fucking fed up with these stupid Linux desktop pre-alpha software that take a decade to stabilize and by then we're off to the brand new thing that barely functions.
In my experience, pipewire is leagues ahead of pulseaudio and just works. All the issues I had with pulseaudio are resolved with pipewire and it sounds better as well with the default settings.
It's kind of funny how I keep reading this exact sentence over and over again
All the issues I had with pulseaudio are resolved with pipewire
just because I had issues with Alsa, and they were all resolved by pulseaudio, which just works for me.
Perhaps I should try PipeWire.
This is why I'm no longer upgrading to non-LTS releases. They add the new stuff in those, the good souls that use them test it and by the time it gets to the LTS, things generally work fine. I think PipeWire will replace PulseAudio in 24.04. It's had a good run while it lasted. 15 years of mainstream use. ☺️👏
Sounds like a problem specific to your hardware/setup. I've never had any issues with pipewire.
Pipewire is so much better and it works like a switchboard for audio and even video. It has been stable for a few years now.
Also I've never had an issue with Pulseaudio that was a bug. The problem with pulse is that it doesn't do multiple devices well.
I'm so fed up, I'd rather spend money on the development of something that locks me in instead of spending money on opensource!!!!
at the same time
How come opensource is in "pre-alpha" all the time?
That's something i've been occasionally experiencing with my Amerano usb as well. Though it's a kernel related problem, because switching to pulse does not solve it, booting up a 18Lts iso does.
In fact it's a bit better on pipewire and you can also experiment with a low latency kernel.
They didnt use Pipewire before??
Yes, they did. I'm using Mint 21.2 Xfce with Pipewire "factory" installed.
pipewire was the smoothest transition ive ever experienced in linux, and fixed most of my grief with the audio subsystem. mint always takes its sweet time and i feel like this should have happened much sooner, but better late than never.
As someone who has pulse just the way they want it, what will this mean for me?
Is it a forced change on a current install?
Is there an equivalent to PulseEffects for PipeWire?
Actually, PulseEffects has been renamed into EasyEffects and is PipeWire only now
Well the PulseEffects version is still alive and well in Ubuntu's repos and it will be for a while.
There's Easyeffects. I don't know if it is equivalent but it certainly has more features than I could ever hope to be able to use.
There's a compability layer, generally called pipewire-pulse. I think it's not a one-for-one copy, but it works great for desktop applications that expect pulse.
Some things that previously were pulseaudio modules, like rtp and raop (airplay), have been reimplemented as native pipewire modules, I believe.
More complicated setups I can't personally speak to, but since pipewire is also catered towards professional audio workflows (as opposed to just desktop audio), you should at least be able to replicate what you have now.
And, as others have already pointed out, pulseeffects has been long dead, and now lives on as easyeffects.
PulseEffects is still working fine for me is why I was asking. Been using it for the past year after making the switch.
I find Easy effects is much more feature rich easier to import APO files and such
Fuckyeah. I need it, so I had to jump through a couple of hoops to get it running on LM21, but good to know that it's default next time I need to install.
I switched my Mint install to Pipewire already. Just hope that won't mess up the upgrade.
In my experience, it probably will. I've learned to just leave stuff alone and let the distro people handle it all. They know their own distro way better than me.
Ah well. I guess a reinstall every couple of years or so isn't such a bad thing.
You can come back to pulseaudio and delete all your pipewire configs before upgrading.