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See also https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/floorp-going-closed-source/52783

Edit: They claim they will make that part open source too, eventually, and it is due to behavior of another browser: https://github.com/Floorp-Projects/Floorp-core/issues/62

Edit 2: They just open sourced the private repository 7 minutes ago, 2024-03-24T12:39Z

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[–] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 53 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Besides Tor, I'm yet to see a Firefox fork that makes sense

[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Even LibreWolf, which is just a Firefox with different configuration by default, I think should be just config files.

I really want to see browsers saving configurations and data in a simple file formats, like QuteBrowser do.

[–] itsmect@monero.town 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You cant remove pocket and telemetry without recompiling. That's why its not just a config file.

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 6 points 7 months ago

There are admin overrides for those, I use them.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 6 points 7 months ago

You may be looking for Betterfox.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago

In Firefox, you can use the user.js file to create any overrides you want.

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 12 points 7 months ago

Librewolf, their devs seem hella inactive but their builds are automated. Tbh I would prefer a working arkenfox more. Made my own softening and install script but its pre-alpha and I will likely rewrite it again in some time.

[–] DolphinMath@slrpnk.net 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Check out Mullvad Browser. It’s created in partnership with the Tor Browser, but optimized to be used for the Clearnet. You don’t need to use Mullvad’s VPN with it either.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Personally I use Waterfox because of its built-in theme preferences, e.g. auto-hiding the tab bar and sidebar headers.

[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Is Waterfox still owned by the advertising company?

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

No, (Captain Obvious,) and I never really got the fuss around that in the first place.

[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You don’t understand why an ad company owning a “privacy focused” browser is a problem?

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] off_brand_ 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Do you? Genuinely, not trying to snark. I see this point lots, but Im skeptical that people actually do.

As a dev, I read plenty of commits, and the idea of voluntarily prodding through commits on a FOSS project is just not happening. I'd rather just trust the dev, and the community to pick through the code in my place. The obvious issue being, what if everyone also does that.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 7 months ago

In fact, sometimes! Sometimes I check GitHub's difference between tags and open commits with commit summaries too vague on the first page. Yeah, it's pretty much just a basic scan, but since it's open source I don't think they'll be brave enough to do things too nefarious and hidden, which like the bystander effect you've said, I feel like will come to light anyway. Hell, someone somehow managed to find furry porn in Thorium.

[–] DolphinMath@slrpnk.net 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] Kissaki 3 points 7 months ago

The relevant, 2023-07-03:

I am happy to say that Waterfox is independent again.

[–] esaru 1 points 7 months ago (12 children)

Icecat, a Firefox fork without Firefox's privacy issues (telemetry).

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[–] i_am_not_a_robot@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 7 months ago

This sounds like immature project drama. I've seen it before where there's a large, professionally maintained product and people make forks to add small changes and then different forks start fighting with each other over because it's their features and they don't want other forks to incorporate them. You should probably just avoid Floorp if possible.

[–] odium@programming.dev 17 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Damn, guess I go back to regular Firefox

[–] Lemongrab@lemmy.one 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Try Mercery for a boost in performance of about 8-20% dependent on machine: https://thorium.rocks/mercury

Or for better security/privacy try LibreWolf: https://librewolf.net

Normal Firefox has telemetry and poor default settings but is still feature rich if you take the time to config.

[–] DolphinMath@slrpnk.net 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

My small concern with Librewolf is getting security updates quickly. Cool project though. As I understand, the team has been better about quickly patching security vulnerabilities in recently months too.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

[2024-03-23T09:29:01-0400] [ALPM] removed floorp-bin-debug (11.10.5-1)

[2024-03-23T09:29:01-0400] [ALPM] removed floorp-bin (11.11.1-1)

[–] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

awful name

I think you mean a great name

[–] aleph@lemm.ee 9 points 7 months ago

Nah they got it right the first time.

[–] Atemu@lemmy.ml 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'll take "didn't get the point of FOSS" for $3.14.

What the heck.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago

Feels like what happened to Emby to me.

(hugs Jellyfin)

[–] heartfelthumburger@sopuli.xyz 4 points 7 months ago (8 children)
[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 6 points 7 months ago

Some time ago, a bunch of really smart people wanted to be able to modify software, so it can never be broken since they can fix it. Thus began open source, which is having a piece of software tell everybody exactly how to make it. Meanwhile, many companies don't want people to modify their software, usually because they don't want people easily competing with them and bankrupting them due to creating a better modification. Such software that isn't open source is termed "proprietary".

Floorp was one of these open source softwares. Some ambitious Japanese people modified Firefox, added some features and customizations, and named it "Floorp".

Recently, these people decided, for whatever reason, to stop the public from being able to access some of the materials and configurations for making Floorp. They did this by creating a new "warehouse" to store these materials, sealing off the access to it, and replacing the original location of the now proprietary materials with a note that tells you the location of the warehouse you can't get in.

(Hopefully that wasn't confusing...)

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[–] flumph@programming.dev 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This blog from the maintainer makes it clear they have no interest in open source other than to advertise their own skills

Preparing for a New Beginning for Floorp

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Well that’s kind of a shitty thing to say about someone without backing it up with some specifics.

What specific passage from that blog post makes you think that?

[–] flumph@programming.dev 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The purpose is to learn how to publish code that cannot be used for forking as open source.

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I have to obligate the folks to choose whether they want to pay me or help me code.

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....it was not beneficial to me.

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...new to gaining good visibility through open source,

[–] catsup@lemmy.one 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Bro, imagine putting "Floorp Developer" in your CV 💀

[–] _MusicJunkie 1 points 7 months ago

No worse than all the tech startup names tbh.

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