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I have a relative who I don't want to cut off, but it's obvious they need me more than I need them and it's exhausting. They want me to drop everything and spend time with them at a moment's notice, usually eating out which is super expensive, and they constantly have mental health crises and text me that they "need" me.

I can say no to them, that's not the problem, but they haven't gotten the hint and are just as clingy years after years of it. It's really unhealthy for me to be their only friend when I don't feel the same way. Is there any way to encourage them to expand their social life without sounding like a dick? I have no social grace and sound like a dick a lot.

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[โ€“] essellburns 25 points 8 months ago (2 children)

They probably know a lot of this.

They may not know it's a problem, or if they do know, then they probably don't know what to do about it.

So that's how I'd go about this. Rather than saying they need to expand their support network, I'd ask them what stops them from expanding their range of friends, support and opportunities for connection?

Means you're not pressuring them or saying you know what they need better than they do. It's asking about them, what they think and feel.

[โ€“] Chuymatt 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Bingo.

It is likely that they have burned friends out one by one and all they have left is you. BUT, you have to have your boundaries.

It sounds like they need therapy and possibly medication, if I am reading between the lines here. That would be the first step to changing the pattern for them. Unfortunately, all you can do is recommend things. They have to take the next steps. ๏ฟผ

[โ€“] essellburns 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I agree that therapy would be valuable here.

There's stuff it helps with and stuff it doesn't. Learning how to relate to others and working through what stops you is one of those things it's really good for.

[โ€“] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago

Therapy is great if you're lonely because the only thing worse than only having one person to unload your thoughts onto is having zero people. And who better than someone who you pay to be a thoughts unloading person.

[โ€“] Alice 5 points 8 months ago

This sounds like a good way to approach it, thank you.

[โ€“] Spendrill@lemm.ee 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Do you have a spare friend to lend them? If you happen to already know someone who is also a bit needy with you then you can introduce them to your relative and see what happens. I caused a marriage like this once and they were very grateful.

[โ€“] Alice 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Congratulations for your friends, that's great!

Unfortunately I only have one friend who still lives around here, and she's less available than me. My relative fancies us to be a friend group in that she's constantly asking us both to drop everything and spend time with her, but she never hangs out with my friend one on one. It's odd.

[โ€“] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Maybe she's having a crush on you? Also, I feel a therapy might be more needed for them, but that's probably even harder to sell.

[โ€“] Alice 1 points 8 months ago

Nah, just family history of codependence. I'll see if I can find a good opportunity to talk about therapy, though.

[โ€“] Spendrill@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's too bad. I hope you find a good solution.

[โ€“] Alice 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Thanks! It did kind of give me an idea, even if I don't have a friend to hook them up with right now, maybe I can bring them to social functions and encourage them to mingle.

[โ€“] Spendrill@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I think that would be helpful to them even if it takes a while to bear fruit, they've obviously taken a bit of a knock to their social confidence at some point and that could start building them up again.

[โ€“] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I can't say if it's a good idea to tell them that or not.

What I can say though is that I've been in your situation, and it's a really hard place to be. You want to help them and be there for them, you want to be a friend for them, and you are, but they're also taking advantage of you.

Take it from me and what I had to learn. They've built you up to be their go-to person, that you'll always be there, but that's not a healthy mindset. It is completely okay to set boundaries. I know you said you can say no to them, but you can officially be firm with them, telling them that you'd love to talk with them, but it'll need to wait until you are available.

For me, my person kept taking more the more I gave, to the point where they called me while I was at dinner with family, and then sent me a text immediately after guilting me for not answering. They also started telling me that I owed it to them to pick up, that no matter what I'm doing I should always be available to answer the phone and tell them I'm not available. I told them that's impossible, what if I'm in a meeting, or out of service, or driving? They said it didn't matter.

That's where these people go, they'll keep going until you set some hard boundaries. Those can be some hard times to enforce that, but it's important to. What they're doing to you isn't fair. It's great you're such a good friend who wants to be there, the least they can do is be a good friend and respect that.

[โ€“] Alice 4 points 8 months ago

Oh man, that's a horrible position to be in. I appreciate the advice, and I hope you're out of there and have healthier friendships.

[โ€“] LightCyan@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago

I love what everyone else already put. In addition, I would recommend a few things.

  1. Switch to almost never helping them right away, but let them know to call a helpline if it's urgent. For example, if they call or text, just say "I can't talk right now, I will get back to you in x time. In the meantime, if you're in a crisis, you should definitely reach out beyond me to the mental health helpline at [enter helpline phone number for your country]". And no need to explain why you can't talk now. I had a relative who had a mental health crisis (but not same situation as your relative at all - this one wasn't needy) and who realized on their own that my genuine efforts to help them were not effective, and informed me they would reach out to a mental health helpline, which I said was a great idea. I don't think it's at all heartless of you to refer your relative to a mental health helpline, and they may well take your advice if you phrase it as they get to go over you or beyond you. (Sort of like customer service escalation).

  2. If this person demands what you've been doing with your time or why you're busy, this is a red flag and it's not any of their business. They are not entitled to your time, that is yours. However, if you feel you must answer, then say something like "heading to grocery store" or "preparing stuff for my [work/school/hobby group]". Always have a stock of replies of things you could conceivably be doing. Never be at a loss or say you're doing nothing.

  3. Stand firm, set boundaries and don't worry about whether you're sounding like a dick. It sounds like your relative's lack of boundaries are a bigger issue than their mental health honestly.

  4. Just say no to eating out. If they push, just say sorry, inflation is a problem and you're looking to save money now. Try not to see them in person if at all possible, do voice chat on phone or whatever.

  5. Encourage them to join a community group to be around others. Many church groups are extremely good at this even if your relative isn't religious, it needn't be a Bible Study or anything that serious. Some church groups are about going out for coffee with a group of similar-age people and are more geared towards those who aren't already in the church or haven't had good church experiences in the past. If you don't have a starting point, leverage your own network: ask someone in your friend group who is Christian what would be a good church and group for this situation. If they don't know, ask if they have anyone from another church they could pose this question to (a lot of Christians have contacts who go to other churches). Present the info to your relative (e.g. it meets at x place at y time, here's the email of the organizer, you should make contact with them).

  6. I had a similar problem with a friend who was demanding of my time and attention years ago. The best thing I did was to seek counseling for MYSELF (yes it takes time and money but it's worth it). After only 3 sessions I had the skills I needed to handle the situation and establish boundaries.

  7. Ultimately, if none of the above things work, I'd recommend being brutally honest with the person. Usually ppl who don't respect boundaries will actually appreciate the honesty if not the end effect. Something to the effect of "I'm sorry you're struggling, and I can help once in a while, but I can't be the only person in your life for this because it takes up too much of my time. My hands are already full. You need to get out there and form more of a network of people in your life, especially since I'm often not available. If you don't have that, you might find yourself feeling very alone when I'm not available." You don't need to say what your hands are full with, or why you're often not available. Make it clear that the consequence of them not having a network is happening to THEM (feeling alone when you're not available). Up until now they might have thought the consequence of not having a network is that they get to call you all the time. They could still call you but I recommend not answering, or not right away, so they really understand that this consequence is falling back on them. It's not on you.