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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 142 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Also don't wear any clothing you bought from a unique Etsy store (or any store you physically visited and paid with a card).

The clothes you wear to the protest should also be bought from a thrift store that you visited without your cellphone and paid for the clothing in cash.

Otherwise, yes, your clothing purchases are tracked, and the young lady who torched a cop car during the George Floyd protests was literally found by the FBI searching Etsy purchase records for people who had bought that shirt.

https://www.inquirer.com/news/lore-blumenthal-philly-protests-george-floyd-sentencing-20220728.html

Other options are facial recognition defeating clothing like this:

https://www.dezeen.com/2023/02/07/cap_able-facial-recognition-blocking-clothing/

Or this:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2496686/anti-cctv-reflectacle-glasses-will-let-criminals-evade-the-law-and-activists-dodge-the-surveillance-state/


EDIT:

But neither of those help when we're dealing with stuff like Gait Analysis.

For help with that, we must turn to the Ministry...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV2ViNJFZC8

[–] altasshet@lemmy.ca 56 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Cory Doctorow has a solution: put some pebbles in your shoes, that will change the way you walk right away.

[–] Stache_@lemmy.ml 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I remember reading a book about this hacker student kid that would do that to sneak out of the school because they had gait recognition cameras. Can’t remember the name of the book though…

[–] altasshet@lemmy.ca 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Stache_@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago

Oh haha yep that’s it! Guess I shoulda tried googling Cory Doctorow first. Thank you!

I aughtta give that another read

Seems like solid advice, thanks!

[–] interrobang@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 8 months ago

I wish the facial rec-blocking clothes weren't too expensive for most protesters

I could retain a subpar attorney with that

[–] randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 58 points 8 months ago (8 children)

Gee, people in the US need to be this cautious when protesting? Where I live it's totally fine to just casually show up at protests, take selfies, talk to people and whatnot.

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 18 points 8 months ago

I live in Canada and there is a university professor that had police visit his house because he took some pictures of an oil project that was being protested while he was on a walking trail near the university.

It was an interview on the cbc several years ago. He was a prof at SFU, I assume it was the trans mountain pipeline expansion.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago

That's because people in the US don't protest for real, since it's totally toothless there's not much crackdown either

[–] blindsight 9 points 8 months ago

I think it depends on the protest, a little bit, but that's generally the case in Canada, too.

I counter-protested anti-SOGI assholes (didn't want 2SLGBTQ+ taught in schools) and it was completely fine. I brought my 5 y.o.

[–] myrrh@ttrpg.network 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

...in the `states, police can shoot you for any or no reason: we call it at-will liberty...

[–] stringere@leminal.space 2 points 8 months ago

150 citizens were enfreedomed in todays public agreement demonstration.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It probably also depends on whether you are just holding a sign or straight up rioting.

[–] stringere@leminal.space 10 points 8 months ago

Or holding...checks notes...

Wrench

Cordless drill

Water-hose nozzle

Flashlight

Shower rod

Cane

Broomstick

Hairbrush

Sunglasses

Bottle of cologne

Underwear

Tinfoil

Bottle of beer

Pill bottle

E-cigarette

Cell phone

Wallet

iPod

Wii remote

Toy truck

Sandwich

Bible

Hands

...can we add Acorn to the list? I think Acorn can go on there now, also.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 55 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Gen-X here. Gen-Z answers a question I had as a teen. "What the hell children will the extreme sports, tech-centric, video gaming, gangsta rap, grunge, rage against the machine, angst filled 'slacker' generation raise?"

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's fucking beautiful, right?

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 33 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm Gen X too, and I feel the same!

[–] myrrh@ttrpg.network 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

...gen Z have rekindled my hopes for a future which were snuffed by the millenial interregnum...

[–] N_Crow@leminal.space 16 points 8 months ago (7 children)

I'm not american. Why not bring your phone? Around here as long as you have a legion of people pointing cameras at cops they'll not outright beat you senseless since it'll be impossible to lie about some bullshit justification about how you did something first.

[–] kennismigrant@feddit.nl 48 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Why not bring your phone?

Your SIM/IMEI are tied to your ID. The police can visit you at home later. Details depend on the country.

[–] ninpnin@sopuli.xyz 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] LoamImprovement 21 points 8 months ago (9 children)

Don't trust the surveillance device to turn off because you ask nicely. Leaving it at home helps sell the idea that you weren't at the protest you were at.

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[–] MxRemy@lemmy.one 25 points 8 months ago (2 children)

One, it'll get smashed anyway. Two, if you manage to get away, they'll work with your provider or location based apps to prove you were there and arrest you. Or, force you to unlock it so they can arrest your contacts. Filming them barely helps, there's so many videos of cops beating the shit out of people with no justification, who have been identified and never faced any repercussions

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Further, cops have learned to just play copyrighted music (say the Frozen soundtrack) when they see they are being recorded, that way if people upload it to the internet, they can rest easy that Disney will hit that video with a copyright strike and the video will be taken down before anyone can see it.

Thankfully for protestors, audio editing exists, and certain AI tools have become very good at stripping certain audio from videos while keeping relevant audio. Leave it to cops to choose a "brute force" solution every time when finesse is all you really need to bypass their brute force.

[–] wandermind@sopuli.xyz 20 points 8 months ago

cops have learned to just play copyrighted music (say the Frozen soundtrack)

I hope they've secured the proper licenses for a public performance of that music.

[–] deur@feddit.nl 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

You. Cannot. Be. Forced. To. Unlock. A. Phone. With. A. Password.

(In the United States)

If you are caught with your phone in a bad situation, fight to manage to get it to shut down. Android will be stuck in a locked out state where biometrics are disabled. Im sure iphones can do something like that but rethink bringing your stupid iphone to a protest. Ask for a lawyer. Do not talk, do not answer questions, do not say anything else.

[–] Cupcake1972@mander.xyz 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You don't even need to shut it down, newer Android phones (at least on LineageOS) have lockdown mode in the power menu.

[–] blindsight 5 points 8 months ago

Takes ~2-3 seconds to set on my Sony Android phone; long-press power, top-right option is lockdown.

Also on iPhone, you can just hold down buttons to trigger power down menu which also disables Touch/Face ID.

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[–] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 8 months ago

Phones are easily tracked, and police generally can get that info. As for the beatings, in the US police commonly aren't held responsible even when they've clearly broken the law. Often, they aren't even charged.

[–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 13 points 8 months ago

Cell phones can be later used to establish who was there/identify people.

[–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

They can use phones to track you. I guess if you're the one who is planning on throwing bricks then don't bring it but if you're just a warm body to fill the crowd a phone is fine since it'll also prove your innocene if you record your whole stay there.

[–] AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 5 points 8 months ago

Lots of reasons, mostly this

[–] Anise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 8 months ago
  1. Tracking via bluetooth, wifi, cell signals, nfc, etc. Does one trust airplane mode?
  2. Seizure of the device if one is arrested. There is legal debate about what methods law enforcement can use to get into the phone. One is exposing both whatever pictures and video was made at the protest but everything else going on in one's life too.
  3. If one has a unique case or model, one can be doxxed.

Action cameras are cheap, durable, and many come without any radios that can be used to track someone. They all look the same. Using a brand new sd card means that the only data on there is the pictures/video taken at the protest. The major downside is that if they are seized, they are an open book for law enforcement since they are unencrypted. If the sd card is taken or destroyed then one loses any evidence along with it.

[–] tkk13909@sopuli.xyz 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

Why shouldn't you bring your phone?

Edit for y'all who thought I don't know what cell triangulation and gps tracking are: If you're involved in protesting to the extent that you might be actively tracked, you should have the proper precautions in place on your phone that make it untraceable even when you're carrying it with you.

Edit 2: "Proper precautions" includes using GrapheneOS with 2 SIMs. Only use one of those SIMs at protests and make sure to never use them at the same time. If the government is tracking you past that point, why do you even have a phone in the first place?

[–] Primarily0617@kbin.social 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

your phone can't work if your carrier doesn't know where you are

on top of that, advertisers put bluetooth receivers everywhere, which will log your phone as having been nearby, even if you don't connect

on top of that, you can do the same bluetooth trick with wifi endpoints

plus your phone has a gps/glonass/whatever receiver in it

probably other reasons too but those are the ones i can think of off the top of my head

yes you can maybe mitigate all of these, but there are probably ones i haven't thought of that people much smarter than me have, so why take the risk?

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[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 7 points 8 months ago

Good work, friend.

[–] Hootz@lemmy.ca 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is why I love the west coast of Canada, I can talk to the cops all I want, I can call them pigs, I can tell them they should learn to do their jobs, I can just straight up troll them and it's protected.

It doesn't mean they won't be absolutely shitty about it and try to start shit though.

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