Stop! Or I'll say "stop" again!
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Stop would be ordering Israel to not continue their war. This is more of a "feel free to continue, but behave yourself" order.
Yeah pretty much. This is one reason I thought it was a bad idea to try to base the ICJ case on "genocide," which invites quibbles about whether particular facts constitute genocide. I thought there was a much stronger case to be made highlighting particular factual war crimes which are pretty tough to factually dispute or argue aren't war crimes.
(Side note, everyone yelled at me when I did that as if it constituted somehow defending Israel. Long story short lemmy.ml isn't full of a lot of nuanced thinking on the issue.)
I'm most interested in these specific orders:
(3)The State of Israel shall take all measures within its power to prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to commit genocide in relation to members of the Palestinian group in the Gaza Strip;
(4) The State of Israel shall take immediate and effective measures to enable the provision of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance to address the adverse conditions of life faced by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip;
I wouldn't be surprised if Nethanyahu, Ben-Gvir, and Smotrich each violate #3 with impunity before the end of the day, although this could inspire switching to dog-whistles and Soprano-style doublespeak which are far more acceptable to most of the West. #4, if it has any effect, will be the difference between life and death in many cases. I'm not hugely optimistic about Israel's immediate reaction to this ruling, but if this has a significant effect on their economy they could abandon this course just like they abandoned their partnership with Apartheid South Africa when the international community turned on them.
Agreed. Like I was saying I wish #3 said "stop killing civilians" and "stop stealing homes." That might be easy or hard to enforce when they inevitably ignore it, but it's a lot harder to doublespeak their way out of.
There is a huge reason to be skeptical of the efficacy of the ICJ. This however is an extremely high profile case with global attention in 2023 where the US is not quite as hegemonic in world affairs as it once was. This case could have an impact in some way, and I will be following it.
I hope so, yeah. I'm irritated at the ineffectiveness, not at the attempt.
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Anyone else gave a link to the PDF if the orders that loads?
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This tech issue might be over my head. I would try a different browser to see if the problem persists but honestly at this point it's going to be a troubleshooting process.
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THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) — The top U.N. court stopped short Friday of ordering a cease-fire in Gaza but demanded that Israel try to contain death and damage in its military offensive in the tiny coastal enclave.
THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) — The United Nations’ top court decided on Friday not to throw out genocide charges against Israel for its military offensive in Gaza, as part of a preliminary decision in a case that goes to the core of one of the world’s most intractable conflicts.
In a statement Thursday, Palestinian Prime Minister Mohammed Shtayyeh said he hoped the decision would “include immediate action to stop the aggression and genocide against our people in the Gaza Strip ... and a rapid flow of relief aid to save the hungry, wounded and sick from the threat of slow death that threatens them.”
But this time, it took the rare step of sending a high-level legal team — a sign of how seriously it regards the case and likely the fear that any court order to halt operations would be a major blow to the country’s international standing.
The genocide case strikes at the national identity of Israel, which was founded as a Jewish state after the Nazi slaughter of 6 million Jews during World War II.
Its governing party, the African National Congress, has long compared Israel’s policies in Gaza and the West Bank to its own history under the apartheid regime of white minority rule, which restricted most Black people to “homelands” before ending in 1994.
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